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over je bewering oog om oog tand om tand, lees aub wat meer over islam ok?want dit is gewoon glasharde onzin. in de islam is vergeven beter. en het kwade mag niet met het kwade worden vergeld, so pls dont say such nonsense. ok?zoals ik zei, onwetendheid over de islam is hier echt zo duidelijk als een vliegende koe in de lucht. omdat ik beide reliegies heb bestudeerd en nog steeds doe, zie ik overenkomsten en verschillen. dus jij hoeft mij echt niet te vertellen wat nou een verschil is met de islam. het getuigt alleen van jouw gebrek aan kennis van islam. en ik kan zo zien waar jij je info vandaan hebt. ik ben echt geen 15-jarig puberaal meisje die hier iets over de islam kwijt wilt ok? ben een stuk ouder en heb wel andere doelen dan jullie doel. jullie doel is haat en vershcil zaaien. waar is de liefde dan van jullie?waar?echt ik zie hier een duidelijk vershcil tussen theorie en praktijk bij jullie. t is tijd dat jullie het ook zien.

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Beste Oem_hudayfa,

Zoals je het weergeeft is het heel logisch en begrijpelijk vanuit menselijk
oogpunt bezien. Maar in de geestelijke wereld ligt het toch iets anders. In
de eerste hoofdstukken van het eerste boek van de Bijbel, Genesis, staat
dat satan Eva en Adam verleidde om iets te doen dat God verboden had,
nl eten van de vrucht van de boom van kennis van goed en kwaad...
Die ongehoorzaamheid is de eerste zonde geweest, met een zondige
natuur tot gevolg; de erfzonde.
Waarom zou satan de mens verleid hebben? Toch alleen maar omdat de
mens dan onder zijn heerschappij zou komen?
Waaraan ontleent satan die heerschappij over de mens? Nou, simpel; aan
de uispraak van God dat wie ongehoorzaam is zal sterven.

Wij mensen gaan vaak gemakkelijk met woorden om, het ene moment
zeggen we zus en het andere moment wat anders. Maar Gods Woord is in
wezen God zelf; volkomen integer en consequent. Het past niet bij God
dat Hij even een woord zou terug nemen.
Sterven betekent in strikte zin verwijderd zijn van de Levende God. De
satan heerst over duisternis en het dodenrijk en door de zonde van Eva
en Adam is de wereld zoals wij die kennen ook onder invloed van satan
gekomen.
De Satan kent Gods normen en hij houdt God aan Zijn woord, dus als er
niet een bijzonder plan zou zijn dan zou ieder mens zijn eigendom
worden en zou de mensheid en de hele schepping uiteindelijk totaal
verloren zijn.

Maar God, die alles weet en voorziet, had een meesterlijk plan, een plan
dat bij satan niet zou opkomen. en dat bestond daaruit dat de legitieme
claim van satan op ieder mens teniet gedaan moest worden.
Dat kon alleen gebeuren als er door een mens een daad van uiterste
gehoorzaamheid verricht zou worden.

Zo een mens was er echter niet te vinden, immers ieder mens was besmet
met de erfzonde... Daarom is Gods Woord zelf mens geworden in de
persoon van Jezus, die de vereiste daad van uiterste gehoorzaamheid
vervulde. Hij was gehoorzaam tot in de dood na gruwelijke marteling.
en wat meer is; Hij bad tijdens dit lijden om vergeving voor de mensen
die Hem dit aandeden.

dit stukje gaat dus vooral over een geestelijke dimensie, waarvan we pas
de volle betekenis inzien als God die werkelijkheid aan ons openbaart.

Het geloof in dit plaatsdvervangend sterven van Jezus is de kern van het
christelijk geloof. Deze daad heeft ons bevrijd van de erfzonde. inderdaad
hoort daar ook bij dat we erkennen dat we geboren zondaars zijn en dat
we berouwvol en dankbaar het offer van Jezus aanvaarden.

nou is het niet zo dat ik nooit meer zondig. maar de claim van satan is
verbroken en als we met berouw tot God gaan is het weer goed. Dat is
dus net als in de islam.
Belangrijk gegeven is echter dat de Heilige Geest voor de gelovigen
beschikbaar is. Als we erkennen dat we de Heilige Geest nodig hebben
om in ons leven de door Jezus behaalde overwinning vast te houden en
ons hart voor de Geest openstellen, dan zal de Geest ons van binnenuit
verneiuwen en weerbaar maken tegen de verleidingen en zondes.
tot zover enkele basisprincipes van het christelijk geloof.

Vrede/Salaam!

beste postpentacoast.

muslims de vijfde?hahaha!no thank you. 5 was gewoon een getal omdat muslima al taken was. ik spreek niet in de vijfde etc. dat zijn rangen en weet ik veel wat. en daar doen we niet aan in de islam unlike het christendom.

luister postpentacost, ik heb genoeg terug te zeggen, zoasl ik zei, ik weet meer van het christendom dan jij denkt en waarschijnlijk meer. maar heb jij enig kennis van islam? van bovenstaande beweringen kan ik toch ernistig zeggen van niet.(geweld etc, hahaah, kijk je alleen tv en luister je naar wat een paar christenen over hde islam zeggen of doe je cht oprecht onderzoek??) als jij een aantal jaren een studie in islam heb gevolgd bij de juiste bronnen dan wil ik zo'n dergelijk discussie met je aangaan. maar nu bespeur ik zoveel onwetendheid bij jou wat betreft islam dak niet zoveel nut zie in een discsussie. weet jij net zoveel van mijn religie als ik van die van jou?zo ja, welcome to the discussion, zo nee, no comment en tot ziens.want ik ben niet voor onnodig kwetsen. ik kan zo al je beweringen de grond in boren. maar ik respecteer je geloof erin. dus ik doe het niet. vind het jammer dat jullie niet handelen naar jullie geloof. waar blijft de "liefde" waar jullie t altijd over hebben?ik bespeur geenliefde van jullie op deze forum. echt niet. misschien alleen bij vradig en alzukar, maar bij jullie?ik ga toch ook niet naar een christelijke forum om allerlei misconcepties over het christendom te gooien en hun geloof neerhalen?ik weet dat daar een grote beoete voor is bij ons.een boete voor het niet respecteren van andermans geloof.maar jullie?waarom doen jullie dit?hebben jullie daar een antwoord op?zou Jezus tevreden zijn met hoe jullie met ons hier om gaan?nee, ik meen het echt, denk echt goed na over jullie uitingen.ik heb heeeellleeee lieve christelijke vriendinnen, die lezen af en toe ook mee. en ze keuren het echt glashard af wat jullie allemaal op schrijven. en de manier hoe jullie tegen ons praten.getuigt niet van veel respect naar hun idee.

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Beste Oem_hudayfa,

Zoals je het weergeeft is het heel logisch en begrijpelijk vanuit menselijk
oogpunt bezien. Maar in de geestelijke wereld ligt het toch iets anders. In
de eerste hoofdstukken van het eerste boek van de Bijbel, Genesis, staat
dat satan Eva en Adam verleidde om iets te doen dat God verboden had,
nl eten van de vrucht van de boom van kennis van goed en kwaad...
Die ongehoorzaamheid is de eerste zonde geweest, met een zondige
natuur tot gevolg; de erfzonde.
Waarom zou satan de mens verleid hebben? Toch alleen maar omdat de
mens dan onder zijn heerschappij zou komen?
Waaraan ontleent satan die heerschappij over de mens? Nou, simpel; aan
de uispraak van God dat wie ongehoorzaam is zal sterven.

Wij mensen gaan vaak gemakkelijk met woorden om, het ene moment
zeggen we zus en het andere moment wat anders. Maar Gods Woord is in
wezen God zelf; volkomen integer en consequent. Het past niet bij God
dat Hij even een woord zou terug nemen.
Sterven betekent in strikte zin verwijderd zijn van de Levende God. De
satan heerst over duisternis en het dodenrijk en door de zonde van Eva
en Adam is de wereld zoals wij die kennen ook onder invloed van satan
gekomen.
De Satan kent Gods normen en hij houdt God aan Zijn woord, dus als er
niet een bijzonder plan zou zijn dan zou ieder mens zijn eigendom
worden en zou de mensheid en de hele schepping uiteindelijk totaal
verloren zijn.

Maar God, die alles weet en voorziet, had een meesterlijk plan, een plan
dat bij satan niet zou opkomen. en dat bestond daaruit dat de legitieme
claim van satan op ieder mens teniet gedaan moest worden.
Dat kon alleen gebeuren als er door een mens een daad van uiterste
gehoorzaamheid verricht zou worden.

Zo een mens was er echter niet te vinden, immers ieder mens was besmet
met de erfzonde... Daarom is Gods Woord zelf mens geworden in de
persoon van Jezus, die de vereiste daad van uiterste gehoorzaamheid
vervulde. Hij was gehoorzaam tot in de dood na gruwelijke marteling.
en wat meer is; Hij bad tijdens dit lijden om vergeving voor de mensen
die Hem dit aandeden.

dit stukje gaat dus vooral over een geestelijke dimensie, waarvan we pas
de volle betekenis inzien als God die werkelijkheid aan ons openbaart.

Het geloof in dit plaatsdvervangend sterven van Jezus is de kern van het
christelijk geloof. Deze daad heeft ons bevrijd van de erfzonde. inderdaad
hoort daar ook bij dat we erkennen dat we geboren zondaars zijn en dat
we berouwvol en dankbaar het offer van Jezus aanvaarden.

nou is het niet zo dat ik nooit meer zondig. maar de claim van satan is
verbroken en als we met berouw tot God gaan is het weer goed. Dat is
dus net als in de islam.
Belangrijk gegeven is echter dat de Heilige Geest voor de gelovigen
beschikbaar is. Als we erkennen dat we de Heilige Geest nodig hebben
om in ons leven de door Jezus behaalde overwinning vast te houden en
ons hart voor de Geest openstellen, dan zal de Geest ons van binnenuit
verneiuwen en weerbaar maken tegen de verleidingen en zondes.
tot zover enkele basisprincipes van het christelijk geloof.

Vrede/Salaam!

16 Want God had de wereld zo lief dat hij zijn enige Zoon heeft gegeven, opdat iedereen die in hem gelooft niet verloren gaat, maar eeuwig leven heeft.(Johannes 3,16)
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Dan nog even de erfzonde. Dat is nou weer zo'n Islamdoctrine die er
louter toe dient om het verlossingswerk van Jezus als onnodig te
kwalificeren (oei, wat een riskante dwaling).
Vertel me eens, waar zijn al die talloze regels van de Islam voor nodig om
de mens af te schermen op straffe van de hel als die regels overtreden
worden, als de mens niet van nature de onbedwingbare neiging heeft om
te zondigen? en waar komt die neiging anders vandaan dan van een
genetische storing waar de mens vanaf de eerste zonde onder gebukt
gaat? Als je de woorden van Jezus kent dan weet je dat degene die
zondigt een slaaf van de zonde is. een slavernij die in alle generaties
doorgaat, omdat ook iedere genratie weer zonden opstapelt. Je weet toch
ook dat aan alcohol of drugs verslaafde ouders verslaafde kinderen ter
wereld brengen?

wat zeg je, jij zondigt niet? Dan heb je idd Jezus niet nodig om je van die
slavernij te verlossen. Maar als je moet erkennen dat je idd niet kunt
leven zonder te zondigen dan heb je echt de Geneesheer nodig. Denk
daar maar eens over na.

vrede!

Beste Postpentacost,

 

Deze vraag heb je aan zuster Muslima5 gesteld, maar ik zou er toch even op in willen gaan als je het niet erg vind. Ik neem aan dat je met de Geneesheer Jezus bedoelt? Wat ik niet snap is, hoe het zo kan zijn, dat Jezus gestorven is voor ��onze�� zondes. Dat betekent dat wat we ook doen, we sowieso vergeven zijn dankzij Jezus? In de Islam is het namelijk zo, dat we hier op de wereld zijn als zondaren zoals je al zij. ��Alle kinderen van Adam zijn, zondaren. Maar de beste van de zondaren zijn degenen die berouw tonen��. Jazeker, berouw. We hebben niet iemand nodig die voor onze zondes sterft. We hebben Allah, waar we altijd bij om vergeving kunnen vragen, en Hij zal ons dan ook vergeven. Die spijt van je zondes moet je dan wel hebben natuurlijk, en ervoor kiezen niet meer terug te keren naar die zonde. Allah weet dat we slechts zwakke dienaren zijn, Hij heeft ons zo geschapen, zodat Hij ons kan vergeven, want dat is ��n van Zijn eigenschappen. Dus als je oprecht vergeving vraagt aan Allah zijn je zondes vergeven, en begin je weer met een schone lei, en zo tot aan je dood. Het Paradijs is niet gratis natuurlijk. We moeten ervoor werken, om ons einddoel te bereiken, met vallen en opstaan, met zondigen en vergeving vragen, en Insha�Allah het Paradijs bereiken!

 

Salaam/Vrede

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When I asked how can we share what�s not enough
She said the heart of a Muslim is filled with love.
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Mooi verhaal Peter Pan, is
het nu uit of heeft het nog een vervolg? Eigenlijk bijzonder dat mensen
een openbaring van Christus nodig hebben om Zijn Liefde te kunnen
ontvangen. gelukkig gebeurt dat heel vaak; in het bijzonder bij
Moslims.


nee pp, ik ga nu niks plaatsen. dus dichtmetselen?wist niet dat jet het
zo zag..begin steeds meer vreemd op te kijken van je posts.


postpentacost, ik heb de Liefde van Allah ontvangen door de
boodschap van alle profeten. en door de Koran. dus je laatste bewering
klopt niet echt helemaal. niet waterdicht.het zal je missch verbazen maar
ik heb het christendom jarenlang bestudeerd voor studiedoeleinden. ik
weet waar ik t over heb.er zijn moslims die dat idd hebben, maar hebbe
ze wel kennis van hun religie?ik had altijd al het gevoel van niet en de
tekst van PP bevestigt mijn hypothese. geen kennis. en ik vind het ook
vreemd eigenlijk dat christenen de liefde van God ontdekken en logica
pas nadat ze de koran hebben gelezen..en sommigen van hen hebbe idd
ook geen kennis van hun religie maar sommigen van hen misschien juis
heel veel..vb prietsters..dus je zou dat niet verwachten..maar ach, weet je
wat het is, liefde van Allah voel je in je hart als je het echt wil voelen en
blanco staat voor dat gevoel. als je al in je hoofd een bep idee over een
bep geloof hebt dan wordt je ernaar geleid. dus ja.. vandaar dat ik geloof
dat islam de ware religie is. omdak er blanco voor stond en zo nog meer
mensen met me. lees mn bekeringsverhalen effe. dat zijn geen vrehalen
van gefrustreerde christenen. zoals het evrhaal van pp van een
gefrustreerde moslim is.maar das mijn mening. een verhaal van PP is
geen getuigenis voor de rest van de wereld. statistiek weet je wel. en
nogmaals, voor mij bevestigt het alleen mijn idee van bekkerlingen die
bekeren omdat ze niks van islam weten.ik had dat verhaal niet een snodig
om het� te bevestigen. dit is iets wat ik dagelijks bestudeer.maar ik blijf er
bij dat ieder moet geloven wat ie wil. dus als de hoofdpersoon zo'n pad
wil kiezen. niet mijn zaak. Allah weet het beste der waarheden!


gr




Moslima de Vijfde,

Heel mooi dat je de liefde van Allah in je hart voelt. Ik ben geneigd te
geloven dat ook in onzuivere religie de Liefde van God gevonden kan
worden door degene die daar oprecht naar zoekt en zich er voor open
stelt.

Denk nu niet dat ik ga bewijzen dat de Christelijke religie de ware is. Elke
religie is een systeem dat door mensen rondom een bepaald geloof
gebouwd is; het is mensenwerk, dus onvolmaakt. Een systeem dat
toegankelijk is voor oplichters, machtsfreaks, extremisten, legalisten, etc.
en het is een wonder van Gods Genade als degenen die in dat systeem de
macht hebben Hem ook werkelijk toegewijd zijn.

Mohammed bracht religie; een samenhangend systeem van het verwerven
van macht, het onderdruk zetten van disidenten en tegenstanders en een
heel systeem van straffen en belonen. Geweld is bij dat alles eventueel
een legitiem middel om het grote doel (?) te bereiken.

Jezus bracht geen religie. Hij wees een bondje met het religieus systeem
van Zijn tijd af en werd als een grote bedreiging gezien voor/door de
religieuze orde. Uiteindelijk werd Hij door het religieus instituut
vermoord... Dat is wat een religieus systeem in overdrachtelijke zin altijd
met Jezus doet, omdat Hij zulke systemen, als mager menselijk gekonkel,
maar pretenderend goddelijk te zijn, ontmaskert en te kijk zet. Dat het
een Joods religieus systeem was, dat Hem trachtte te vernietigen is niet
relevant. Immers het Christelijk religieus systeem heeft Jezus in zekere
zin al talloze malen vervolgd en gedood. (wat je de minste onder de
mensen aangedaan hebt, heb je Mij aangedaan).
Daarom; wees op je hoede voor religie. Ze gebruikt het verlangen van de
mens naar Verlossing van zonde en dood om de mens te knechten en te
manipuleren; voor geldelijk gewin, voor zelfverheffing of voor politieke
macht. Het mag een Godswonder heten als er in de religie nog mensen
invloed verwerven, die werkelijk aan de Allerhoogste toegewijd zijn en
niet aan een doel dat ze zichzelf gesteld hebben en het goedgelovig volk
voor hun karretje spannen.

Jezus bracht geen religie, maar relatie. Relatie met de medemens op basis
van een principe dat beschreven staat in het laatste stukje van het verhaal
van Peter Pan. Het principe van je vijanden lief hebben, je jas geven als je
hemd gevraagd wordt, kwaad met goed vergelden etc. Als je het
christelijk geloof bestudeerd hebt dan weet je waar het om gaat en dat
hier toch een groot verschil ligt met de Islam, die eerder vergelding en
oog om oog en tand om tand en vijandenhaat predikt. Daar is de wereld
nooit beter van geworden.

Jezus bracht vooral relatie met Hemzelf en met de Allerhoogste die in
feite niets liever wil dan voor de mensen als een Vader te zijn. Of denk je
dat God er plezier in heeft de mens te koeieneren in slaafse
onderdanigheid en onder de duim te houden met een gedetailleerd
systeem van straffen en belonen? We doen de Allerhoogste ernstig te kort
als we denken dat Hij zo is. Zo'n God is niet meer dan een projectie van
de zoekende mens. Een op God geprojecteerd vertekend vaderbeeld. een
God met inferieure menselijke en zelfs tirannieke eigenschappen.

Je kunt veel kennis hebben van het christelijk geloof of van islam, maar
het gaat om het echte "kennen" van de Heer; van hart tot Hart. Daarom
verbaast het mij niets als priesters en theologen overlopen naar de Islam.
Als ze God niet echt kennen dan is dat een vrij voor de hand liggende
logische stap. Immers; Inzicht in de werkelijkheid omtrent de identiteit
van Jezus en de Vaderliefde van God kan niet slechts door studie en
kennis verkregen worden. Daar is ook openbaring en zelfvernedering
voor nodig. Daarom is het zo bijzonder dat zoveel Moslims dromen
krijgen waarin de ware identiteit van Jezus onthuld wordt. en wees eens
eerlijk; gelet het feit dat je grote risico's loopt als je je van Moslim bekeert
tot het christelijk geloof, moeten die mensen wel echt overtuigd zijn dat
Jezus de Weg, de Waarheid en het Leven is. Daarom, ergens prima dat er
een zware straf op staat als een moslim christen wordt; dan weet je dat ie
echt overtuigd is en relatie met de allerhoogste heeft met Christus als
middelaar.

Dan nog even de erfzonde. Datontkennen van de erfzonde is nou weer
zo'n Islamdoctrine die er louter toe dient om het verlossingswerk van
Jezus als onnodig te kwalificeren (oei, wat een riskante dwaling).

Vertel me eens, waar zijn al die talloze regels van de Islam voor nodig om
de mens af te schermen tegen het kwaad op straffe van de hel als die
regels overtreden worden, als de mens niet van nature de onbedwingbare
neiging heeft om te zondigen? en waar komt die neiging anders vandaan
dan van een genetische storing waar de mens vanaf de eerste zonde
onder gebukt gaat?
Als je de woorden van Jezus kent dan weet je dat degene die zondigt een
slaaf van de zonde is. een slavernij die in alle generaties doorgaat, omdat
ook iedere genratie weer zonden opstapelt. Je weet toch ook dat aan
alcohol of drugs verslaafde ouders verslaafde kinderen ter wereld
brengen?

Wat zeg je, jij zondigt niet? Dan heb je idd Jezus niet nodig om je van die
slavernij te verlossen. Maar als je moet erkennen dat je niet kunt
leven zonder te zondigen dan is dat het bewijs dat de erfzonde in je
werkt en dan heb je echt de Geneesheer nodig. Denk daar maar eens over
na.

Vrede!
16 Want God had de wereld zo lief dat hij zijn enige Zoon heeft gegeven, opdat iedereen die in hem gelooft niet verloren gaat, maar eeuwig leven heeft.(Johannes 3,16)
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maar hoe heeft Allah zijn liefde voor ons bewezen?

Door jou en mij te scheppen.

Tonen de daden van Mohammed de liefde van Allah?

jazeker, lees zn biografie en de hadith en de koran.

Heeft Mohammed wel eens een dode opgewekt of een zieke genezen?

idem:lees zn biografie en hadith,grappig ik weet veel meer van het christendom dan jullie van islam..en ik loop niet eens rond te hangen op een christelijke forum. ik heb het wat anders aangepakt. misschien wat professioneler. immers, kennis doe je niet op van mensen die het beleven, maar van de bronnen.ik heb er een studie van gemaakt.en heb(jawel)christelijke vrienden. en andere andersgelovigen.kunnen jullie dit zeggen?Profeet Mohammed heeft ons namelijk geleerd kennis op te doen over alles en goede vrienden te zijn met andersgelovigen. wist je niet he?nee, jullie zien alleen wat een secte van de islam doet op dat magical boxje wat een tv heet.

Heeft hij ons laten zien wat het is om lief te hebben?

jazeker. idem. lees de biografie koran en hadith.

Is hij echt het voorbeeld van hoe Allah of God echt is?

weet jij hoe God is?humm..nee ik onthou me van het voorstellen hoe Hij is. daar id Hij te groot voor. ik zie het wel in het hiernamaals. ik weet alleen wat ZIJN Woord is. en voor de rest GELOOF ik in hem. ik hoef geen materieel substantie hier op aarde die mij kan laten zien hoe Allah is. dus ook geen mens. ill withdraw myself from that. thank u very much.  i think i m gonna stick to beleiving. thats real faith, dont u think?

Heeft Allah of een profeet van Allah zijn leven voor ons gegeven, voor ons, zondaars?

ik geloof niet in de erfzonde. maar in de onschuld van een baby. dus hoeft er ook niemand te stervan voor iemands zonde. ieder zn eigen vernatwoordelijkheid. vind ik eerlijker.punt. i think i made my point clear here.

Wie heeft ons meer lief? Jezus of Mohammed en wiens leer of woorden zouden wij volgen? Wie laat ons God zien? Wie van de 2 had een leven die een uiting was van de liefde van God?

allebei, ik maak geen onderscheid. ik wil niet discrimeneren. ik hou van hen ALLEMAAL!!dat heeft Allah ons verteld in de koran. ik moet van hen ALLEN houden. van Adam tot Muhammed saws.gelkkig maar he..wat een ramp als ik zou moeten kiezen.hun boodschap is bij allen puur. nogmaals, ik merk enig gebrek aan islamitische kennis..jammer.

 

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maar hoe heeft Allah zijn liefde voor ons bewezen? Tonen de daden van Mohammed de liefde van Allah? Heeft Mohammed wel eens een dode opgewekt of een zieke genezen? Heeft hij ons laten zien wat het is om lief te hebben? Is hij echt het voorbeeld van hoe Allah of God echt is? Heeft Allah of een profeet van Allah zijn leven voor ons gegeven, voor ons, zondaars? Wie heeft ons meer lief? Jezus of Mohammed en wiens leer of woorden zouden wij volgen? Wie laat ons God zien? Wie van de 2 had een leven die een uiting was van de liefde van God?
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Mooi verhaal Peter Pan, is het nu uit of heeft het nog een vervolg?
Eigenlijk bijzonder dat mensen een openbaring van Christus nodig
hebben om Zijn Liefde te kunnen ontvangen. gelukkig gebeurt dat heel
vaak; in het bijzonder bij Moslims.

nee pp, ik ga nu niks plaatsen. dus dichtmetselen?wist niet dat jet het zo zag..begin steeds meer vreemd op te kijken van je posts.

postpentacost, ik heb de Liefde van Allah ontvangen door de boodschap van alle profeten. en door de Koran. dus je laatste bewering klopt niet echt helemaal. niet waterdicht.het zal je missch verbazen maar ik heb het christendom jarenlang bestudeerd voor studiedoeleinden. ik weet waar ik t over heb.er zijn moslims die dat idd hebben, maar hebbe ze wel kennis van hun religie?ik had altijd al het gevoel van niet en de tekst van PP bevestigt mijn hypothese. geen kennis. en ik vind het ook vreemd eigenlijk dat christenen de liefde van God ontdekken en logica pas nadat ze de koran hebben gelezen..en sommigen van hen hebbe idd ook geen kennis van hun religie maar sommigen van hen misschien juis heel veel..vb prietsters..dus je zou dat niet verwachten..maar ach, weet je wat het is, liefde van Allah voel je in je hart als je het echt wil voelen en blanco staat voor dat gevoel. als je al in je hoofd een bep idee over een bep geloof hebt dan wordt je ernaar geleid. dus ja.. vandaar dat ik geloof dat islam de ware religie is. omdak er blanco voor stond en zo nog meer mensen met me. lees mn bekeringsverhalen effe. dat zijn geen vrehalen van gefrustreerde christenen. zoals het evrhaal van pp van een gefrustreerde moslim is.maar das mijn mening. een verhaal van PP is geen getuigenis voor de rest van de wereld. statistiek weet je wel. en nogmaals, voor mij bevestigt het alleen mijn idee van bekkerlingen die bekeren omdat ze niks van islam weten.ik had dat verhaal niet een snodig om het  te bevestigen. dit is iets wat ik dagelijks bestudeer.maar ik blijf er bij dat ieder moet geloven wat ie wil. dus als de hoofdpersoon zo'n pad wil kiezen. niet mijn zaak. Allah weet het beste der waarheden!

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Postpentacost, speciaal voor jou: deel 22, hoe ik God heb leren kennen. Let erop hoe snel deze tekst weer dichtgemetseld wordt.

Vruchten van geloof:

Ik heb in detail gesproken over mijn leven voor mijn bekering. Het is nu meer op zijn plaats dat ik spreek over het werk van God in mijn leven nadat ik Hem leerde kennen. Al mijn familieleden, vrienden en bekenden konden niet geloven dat ik zo radicaal kon veranderen. Niemand kon geloven wat er plaats vond na mijn wedergeboorte. Ooit vroeg ik God om mij wat ervaringen te geven die mij zouden bewijzen dat ik echt bekeerd was. En God gaf mij heel veel ervaringen, niet alleen om de verandering aan mij te bewijzen, maar ook om mij te trainen voor de harde en kwellende uitdagingen die zouden komen. Ik koos de nieuwe weg niet, zelfs niet mijn leven met Christus. Integendeel, ik probeerde te ontkennen wat ik zag. Het was Christus die mij koos. Hij koos mij niet toevallig, maar zeker voor een speciaal doel en bediening die Hij al voor mij had voorbereid. Ik ben er zeker van dat Hij mij ook voorbereidde voor deze soort bediening. In dit opzicht wil ik graag enkele hachelijke ervaringen noemen waar ik mee te maken kreeg en wat God met mij deed.

Ik werkte op een kantoor met drie andere collega's. We werkten om beurten dus we zagen elkaar nauwelijks. leder van ons had zijn eigen kastje om persoonlijke bezittingen in te bewaren. Op een dag ontdekte ik geschokt dat een aantal van mijn spullen weg was. Ik verdacht niemand van mijn collega's. De volgende dag gebeurde het opnieuw en ontdekte ik dat ik andere dingen kwijt was. Ik gaf mijn vrouw de schuld, maar toen hetzelfde voor de derde keer plaats vond en mijn hele salaris was gestolen, realiseerde ik me eindelijk dat het slot opengebroken was. Ik was er van overtuigd dat een van mijn collega's hiervoor verantwoordelijk was. Plotseling kwam er een verschrikkelijke satanische geest van boosheid over mij. Ik begon te vloeken en te schelden op mijn oude manier, zoals ik was voor de verlossing. Ik zei: "Als ik Christus heb aangenomen en jullie zagen dat ik zo zacht als een lammetje was, betekent dat niet dat jullie mij de gek kunnen aansteken door mij tot een gemakkelijke prooi te maken." Ik zwoor het hun betaald te zetten en ze dubbel betaald te zetten. Ik besloot om al hun kastjes open te breken en al hun bezittingen mee te nemen en ze vervolgens te verbranden, terwijl ik alle kastjes openliet, zoals Abraham had gedaan met de afgoden. Ik wilde dat ze zouden voelen hoe het was om beroofd en geplunderd te worden. Ik haalde een grote hamer te voorschijn om mijn plan uit te voeren. Ik deed het kantoor op slot en nadat ik er zeker van was dat niemand het zag, pakte ik de hamer met beide handen en zwaaide hem door de lucht. Ik was doortrokken van boosheid en ik sidderde met een vurig verlangen naar wraak. Ik stond op het punt om de kastjes te raken toen ik voelde dat mijn handen werden vastgehouden en ik hoorde een zachte stem zeggen: �Vergeld geen kwaad met kwaad of belediging met belediging, maar met zegen; wees een vredestichter." Ik draaide me om om te zien wie er sprak, maar er was niemand. Ik zei in mezelf: "O Heer, bent u het eens met wat er met mij gebeurd is? Uw wil geschiede. Blus alstublieft mijn razernij en doof het vuur van mijn toorn. Ik kan mijzelf nauwelijks in bedwang houden. Geef mij alstublieft vrede." Plotseling voelde ik mij omgeven door een vreemde vrede, alsof er niets gebeurd was. Ik hoorde een stem die mij vroeg om het volgende op een papier te schrijven:

"Beste broeder die mijn kastje heeft geopend, Het spijt me dat ik niet in staat was om in je noden te voorzien. Schrijf alsjeblieft alles wat je nodig hebt op en ik zal bij de genade van God mijn best doen om je te helpen. Om mijn goede bedoelingen en eerlijkheid te tonen, zal ik het kapotte slot niet vervangen. Ik weet dat de liefde van God buitengewoon groot is voor alle mensen. Tenslotte hoop ik dat de vrede van God die alle verstand te boven gaat je leven voor altijd zal behoeden. je broeder"

Nadat ik die brief geschreven had, legde ik hem in mijn kastje en liet het daar bij. Ik bad en dankte God dat Hij me ervan weerhouden had om me te laten misleiden door satanische gedachten. Ik ging naar huis en omhelsde mijn vrouw zodra ze de deur open deed. Ze zei: "Wees niet bang. Als God voor ons is, wie kan er tegen ons zijn? Voor wat betreft het gestolen geld, de bijbel zegt: 'jong ben ik geweest, ook ben ik oud geworden, maar - een rechtvaardige heb ik niet verlaten gezien, noch zijn nageslacht zoekende brood.' (Psalm 37:25) God kan in al onze noden voorzien, want Hij is onze Verzorger."

Twee dagen later wachtte ons een verrassing. Een van mijn collega's kwam naar het kantoor tijdens mijn dienst. Dat was ongebruikelijk. Ik vroeg hem: "Wat kom je hier nu doen?" Hij zei: "Ik wil graag met je praten." "Wat wil je zeggen?", vroeg ik. Hij zei tegen me dat we beter naar een rustige plek konden gaan om met elkaar te praten. Dus zaten we tegenover elkaar. Hij keek naar beneden en zei:"Ik weet niet wat ik tegen je moet zeggen. Ik weet niet �wat ik moet doen." Ik zei: "Vertel me wat er gebeurd is." Hij opende een kleine tas en liet me alle spullen zien die hij uit mijn kastje had weggenomen. Ik kon mijn ogen niet geloven. Het was niet bij me opgekomen dat ik deze dingen ooit nog terug zou krijgen. Ik had niet verwacht dat een man als hij de dief zou zijn. Hij was een godsdienstig man die trouw de gebeden nakwam. Hij zei: "Dit zijn de dingen die ik uit jouw kastje heb weggenomen; neem ze alsjeblieft terug en vertel het aan niemand. Voor wat betreft het geld, ik kan het je nu niet terugbetalen, want mijn kinderen waren erg ziek en ik moest met ze naar de dokter gaan. Ik kan je maandelijks een bedrag terugbetalen." Ik zei: "Je mag al deze dingen houden. Ze zijn nu van jou. Ik loog niet toen ik je de brief schreef. God zal mij alles vergoeden; neem jij het geld. Ik ben ervan overtuigd dat God in alles zal voorzien. Als ik oneerlijk was geweest, dan had ik mijn kastje niet opengelaten met een kapot slot." Hij zei: "Ik heb ��n vraag. Ik wil dat je me eerlijk antwoord geeft." Ik antwoordde: �Heb ik ooit tegen je gelogen?" Hij zei: "Nee." Ik vroeg: �Wat is je vraag?" Hij begon: "Je spreekt als christenen en zegt Heer, Heer. Je gebruikt dezelfde woorden en uitdrukkingen die ik vaak hoor van Gergis de timmerman, mijn buurman, die christen is." Ik zei tegen hem: "Toen ik ontdekte dat mijn spullen gestolen waren, had ik in twee mogelijkheden. De ene was om een aanval met een tegenaanval terug te betalen, leer om leer volgens de hadith die zegt: 'Degene die zonder zijn geld sterft, is een martelaar', en: 'Niemand van jullie zal een moederskindje zijn, neem waar je recht op hebt en besteed nergens anders aandacht aan.' In andere woorden, ik heb de mogelijkheid om te kijken naar een manier waarop ik bezittingen terug kan krijgen. De andere mogelijkheid was om geen kwaad met kwaad te vergelden en mijzelf niet te wreken. Als iemand iets van mij wil eisen en mijn hemd wil nemen, dan moet ik hem ook mijn mantel geven. Welke van de twee manieren is volgens de beste?" Hij zei: "De tweede mogelijkheid is natuurlijk veel beter." Ik zei: "Dat is wat ik gedaan heb. Ik gedroeg me op een manier waardoor de banden van liefde en hartelijkheid in stand zouden blijven, zonder te letten op de oorsprong van dat gedragspatroon, of het nu afkomstig is uit de islam, het christendom of het juda�sme. Wat telt dat is het gedrag zelf. Als ik dit gedrag bijvoorbeeld in de islam had gevonden, dan zou ik het zonder aarzeling hebben nagevolgd." Hij vroeg zich af: Hoe kom je hieraan? Waar heb je deze opvattingen geleerd?" Ik antwoordde: "Ik zal het je later vertellen. Je bent nu gespannen. Op een later tijdstip als je tot rust bent, zal ik het je vertellen. Misschien na een paar dagen of een maand. Als je dan nog steeds ge�nteresseerd bent om het te weten, dan zal ik niet aarzelen om het je te vertellen.�

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Mooi verhaal Peter Pan, is het nu uit of heeft het nog een vervolg?
Eigenlijk bijzonder dat mensen een openbaring van Christus nodig
hebben om Zijn Liefde te kunnen ontvangen. gelukkig gebeurt dat heel
vaak; in het bijzonder bij Moslims.
16 Want God had de wereld zo lief dat hij zijn enige Zoon heeft gegeven, opdat iedereen die in hem gelooft niet verloren gaat, maar eeuwig leven heeft.(Johannes 3,16)
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Regen is net zo noodzakelijk voor het leven als zonneschijn. Hoe kan ik daar nu depressief van worden.

Ik word absoluut niet depressief van christen die kiezen voor de islam. Zolang mensen de vrije keuze hebben kan ik het slechts toejuichen. Helaas staat vrije keuze en islam nog weleens op gespannen voet.

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Mensen worden vaak depressief van regenbuien. Zo ook pp die depressief wordt als hij verhalen leest (alhoewel ik het ten zeerste betwijfel of hij ze echt leest) van christenen die zich bekeren tot de ware religie (Islam).....

Alhmadulilah dat wij Moslims zijn en ALLAH Subhana Wa Ta'ala prijzen en danken voor, tijdens en na de regen....hier beneden enkele Dua's.

Smeekbede voor regen: Allahoemma asqina ghaitsan moeghietsan marie'an marie'an, nafi'an ghaira dharrin, adjilan ghaira adjilin....O ALLAH, laat het veelvuldig op ons vallen, overvloedig leven brengende regen om van te profiteren en die ons geen schade toebrengt, nu en niet later.

Smeekbede tijdens regen: Allahoemma shajjiban nafi'an....O ALLAH, laat het zijn vruchten voor ons afwerpen.

Smeekbede na de regen: Moethirna bifadhlillahi wa rahmatihi...Het heeft geregend door de overvloed van ALLAH en door Zijn genade.

Het paradijs is omgeven door moeilijkheden waar de �nafs� (het ego) niet van houdt, de hel is omgeven door de lusten die het ego strelen.
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mooi gedeelte PP.hier nog meer zonneschijn...

The Light at the end of the Tunnel

by Tavis Adibudeen

Many of the things people go through prepare them for life and mold the choices they make in the future. Islam, now the fastest growing religion in the US (at approx. 500,000 new converts a year), relays this very well. All of the converts (or more appropriately: reverts) to Islam have some significant or collection of insignificant events or people that shaped their concept of Islam. This concept, for them, became action. It is fair to say that many of the things that introduce a person to Islam are difficulties and misunderstandings. It has been said that one must crawl before they can walk, or you must get knocked down before you can be picked up again. This is often the case for new Muslims in America. They don't realize how precious Islam is, until they realize how hard life can be. We are not prophets, and therefore there is no revelation to us. Instead, we must come to terms with our reality before touching our spirituality. For African Americans in America, this is a difficult road in which to travel. Today, there is an estimated 10 million Muslims in the United States, 2 million of which are African American.

Furthermore, most of the new Muslims are of African descent. For them, it is a story of self discovery erased by 200 years of slavery. Some identify with Islam firstly because it was practiced by many of the their ancestors from Africa, and Christianity was forced on the slaves by Europeans. Others, because it clears obvious mistakes and exclusions of African Americans in Christianity. Most, however, find a combination of all these things with Islam. This is the road I had to travel. This was my light at the end of the tunnel.

I was raised in Indianapolis, Indiana from birth to Christian parents. My mother, raised in Tennessee, was a Methodist Christian and a frequent church attender. My father was non- denominational and an occasional church attender. My mother was a very religious person, so my father, my sister, and I usually went to church with her. From as early as I can remember, I was always surrounded by Christianity. My father and mother both worked, and they were trying to finish school. This meant that someone would have to take care of me during the day. Until I was about three, I had a baby sitter. Then, I started going to Noah's Ark, a private Christian preschool. By this time my sister had started elementary school. Noah's Ark was like living in Sunday school. We learned Bible verses, sang church songs, and also did general child type activities. I often remember bringing home little cards that had bible verses on them. If you memorized the verse, you would get a reward. I don't really remember what
the reward was. I guess I didn't memorize enough to know what it was. On Sundays we all put on our best clothes and went to church. To me it seemed to be mostly singing and nodding of heads. At my youthful age, I had little understanding of what purpose any of the things we did served. In fact I still question that today, but I thought my mother knew everything (and compared to what I knew she did), so I did what she said. As I grew older, things seemed to drift away and eventually fall apart. My father began going to church less and less. For the first time, I was in a public school where the teaching of any religion is illegal, and I suddenly found myself in an environment much different from Noah's ark.

At this point in my life, there were two religions; one was Christianity, and the other one wasn't. At ages six and seven, I had never heard of Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, or anything else. Actually, I knew of one other religion: Jehovah's Witnesses. They seemed to just be strict Christians to me. My friend who lived across the street from me was a Jehovah's Witness, but my impressions of them mostly came from the people who dressed up and went door to door trying to interest people. Often times, we tried to avoid opening the door, so they wouldn't bother us. The earliest church congregation that I remember was the one my mother stayed with until recently. In Christianity the minister preached for a living. He was paid by the congregation, and he lived in a house especially set aside by the church. Our first minister was energetic, but they got rid of him. The second was a women, who I thought was nice, but they got rid of her too. Then came a man who changed the way I looked at the religion. Maybe it was just because I was older, or maybe he actually had something to do with it. Regardless, I actually went to church to hear him, but that wasn't until later in my life. They say, however, that children identify with their same sex parents, and I identified with my father.

By the time I was in fifth grade, he usually only went to church on Christmas, Easter, and Mother's Day. I soon followed. It actually wasn't until several years later that the third minister would come to our church. I had always loved Christmas, not because of its religious significance, but because it was a tradition to exchange gifts on that holiday. Many songs were about the birth of Jesus (alaiy his salaam), but it seemed as though there were and are just as many songs about Santa Claus. So, many stories existed about Santa Claus, that seemed ridiculous to an adult but were sacred when told to a child. A big, round, rosy cheeked white man supposedly flew through the sky (propelled by flying reindeer) on Christmas Eve dropping off presents at people's houses. My sister and I believed in that for many years. We decorated Christmas trees, baked Christmas cookies, drank eggnog, and went to bed early on December 24 every year so Santa Claus could come down our Chimney at night and give us gifts. It seems so silly now, but it was something we believed and something our parents told us and helped us believe. Naturally, most children would eventually find out that Santa was fake and spread it to other kids. It was
my sister that eventually told me. All those years Mommy and Daddy had been putting the presents there at night, not Santa! I felt violated. I was taught at Noah's Ark that we weren't supposed to lie, yet Americans lie to their children every year. These Christian children seemed to hold the mystical Santa Claus more dear to them than the real Jesus Christ (ahs). Strike one.

At the age of eleven, Islam was introduced to me for the first time, although very briefly. In middle school we studied various cultures in my social studies classes. I only learned that "Muhammad was the prophet of Islam, and Muslims prayed five times a day." I didn't learn anything else. I did know of some famous Muslims such as boxer Muhammad Ali and basketball player Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but I knew little about them. It was, however, the same year that Kareem played his last basketball game before retiring. This was also the first real extensive amount of time I spent in a normal public school with normal classes and normal kids. I was suddenly not special anymore. I was not in higher classes than other kids anymore. It was as though I had to start over for no reason, but it exposed me to a wider variety of people. I became more in touch with people who looked like me. Middle school had many more African Americans (due to busing children) than I had ever seen outside of my old neighborhood. I also began to realize things about white teachers and students. I had only read about racial discrimination until now. Suddenly, I was growing up, and teachers began to treat me like a "black male" instead of a student. This only made me realize other things about my religion. I began to wonder why all the pictures of Jesus (ahs) were pictures of a white man. Why was the son of God a white man? This seemed to indicate that black people were inferior to white people. Strike two.

As I progressed through Middle School, I became more aware of our differences. Blacks and Whites almost totally segregated themselves. It seemed as if all the things I read about were still happening. The more that white people did and said things that were mean and offensive to me, the harder I found it to love the son of God. I began to rationalize wondering if this white man was as racist as the white men with which I came in contact were. It came to the point where I almost became militant. My grades began to fall as my black friends and I found little interest in the white school system. It seemed as though it wasn't meant to teach us at all. We were excluded from history books and literature books. When we did achieve things, it was played down by the white teachers. By the time I reached the eighth grade, I didn't even want to step one foot into a church. Ironically,
it was about this time that I met the minister that had a different approach to Christianity. His teachings were more understandable and down to earth. I still found it hard, though. This was because he was saying one thing, yet the things and people around him said another. It was nearly required that you dress up for church. People talked about people if they didn't or couldn't dress as nicely as they did. It was a fashion show. Most of the time was spent singing, or so it seemed. I didn't see the point in singing, but it was beautiful when done correctly. I could not, however, deal with the fashion show. We became the models as we walked down the aisle. Gossip constantly circled about people in and outside the church. The things that I didn't like about the world outside of church suddenly seemed to be a part of the church. Strike three.

It was at this time, my freshman year in high school that I declared I would never go to church again. I saw it as stupid and pointless. I didn't feel comfortable there. Instead it felt like I was in a theater and the minister, my friend, was on stage. If he performed well he'd get paid and keep the seats filled. If he didn't, his fate would resemble the two before him. As if almost by fate, I first became aware of the religion called Islam. I had a friend in my English class who was a Muslim. After all this time, this was the first time I had come in contact with a Muslim. He mostly talked about the things that Muslims did. I listened, but I really didn't show much interest in it. He never really said what their beliefs were, and I never asked. At age 15 I met another guy who was just a militant as I, if not more. I'll call him MC. MC was the first person to ever tell me how bad pork really was.
My mother, raised in the south, naturally cooked a lot of it. We had bacon, ham, sausage, hot-dogs, ribs, and she even ate chitterlings (pig intestines). It didn't take long for me to give up pork totally. I realized how damaging it could be to my health, but I also realized something deeper. So many black people eat pork because it was the meat that white slave masters didn't want, so they gave the scraps to the black slaves. It became a regular food for our culture. It is no wonder that black people have a higher rate of heart attacks and high blood pressure that whites. When I read deeper beneath the surface, MC helped me also realize that the Bible actually said that people were forbidden from eating the flesh of swine. Furthermore, other things, such as alcohol, fornication, adultery, and gambling were also forbidden, yet many Christians did it anyway. Luckily, I had never done any of that stuff. My parents and my early Noah's Ark teachers had told me not to do that. That, however, did not
necessarily apply to them.

At age 16 I began to feel totally betrayed by everyone, even Jesus (ahs). Everything, if anything, that
ever appealed to me about Christianity had been yanked out from under me by the realities of my society. The more I look back and think about it, the more I understand. I never stopped believing in God, I just didn't believe in all the extra things others associated with God. All my life I had just prayed to God. I truthfully rarely thought or even cared about Jesus. We were supposed to live our lives like him, but all I ever heard about his life were miracles. How are we to perform miracles? It seemed contradictory. I then began to look for something else. Jews had never been on good terms with African Americans, so I never really looked towards that. There was a group of Black Jews who believed that the actual children of Israel are African Americans. We have been here for 400 years, but many of the things they said seemed distant and unrealistic if not totally unimportant. The more I thought, the more curiosity that arose in me about Islam. Many images had been placed before me about Muslims being terrorists and oppressing women, etc. I, however, had seen and lived real oppression. I had witnessed
terrorism, and I knew that the things the Muslims I saw were doing were not bad. If anything, they were better than what I saw Christians doing. Based on this principle, I began to read about Islam. I'm not really sure what I read first. I read many articles about Muslim men and women. The articles touched me. One in particular which I still have today called, "Converts to the Faith" seemed to fit my situation exactly. It was then that I decided to buy a Qur'an from the book store. That summer I read the entire book from front to back. It shocked me vividly. I had long been taught all of these miracles of Jesus and mystical things such as Santa Claus, but the Qur'an had a humanity about it. It seemed like a book that was meant to be read by human beings, not supernatural beings. It plainly told the rules and ways of living that all people should uphold. It was common sense. It was what everybody seemed to know but unconsciously denied it. For some time it was all I needed. I did nothing more than
read parts over and over again trying to understand every part. It all made sense. There were no contradictions. God was but one God, Allah. It stressed showing compassion for the poor and the brotherhood of Muslims. For a long time, I didn't even let anyone know I had bought it. The only reason I had waited until when I did was because I had learned to drive. That way no one would know I was considering this. For a long time I wondered what my mother would think if I became a Muslim. So, I did nothing for a little longer. I continued to pray as I always had: head bowed praying to my One God, only now I called that God, Allah. I was already a Muslim at heart. I watched a lot of TV shows and read a lot of books on Islam that year.


Naturally, my mother became aware of the pattern. I don't know how much she knew about Islam, so it probably scared her. My father, who had since moved out when my parents got divorced, definitely seem worried that I might be getting into something bad. This was in part because my grades had not yet improved, and I was somewhat of a rebellious teenager. I began to show some of my articles to my mother. I really didn't show her much, and she really didn't ask much. It was a time when I was alone by choice. My friends had either moved, died, or just gone in a different direction than I. I saw no need for them anyway. It was just me, my Qur'an, and my thoughts. Then, I decided I wanted more. I wanted to become a Muslim, and I couldn't do it alone. I wanted to learn a better way to pray and glorify Allah. I wanted to learn more about Muhammad (sallahu alaiyhi wasalaam), and I wanted to meet people who believed in the book I had come to cherish.

In the summer of 1995, I started getting into the internet. It had many helpful things about Islam. The knowledge that I attained just by reading the things posted on the world wide web finally pushed me over the edge. I couldn't deny my birth right. My parents, sister, and friends have always been supportive of me. I could only hope they would continue to do so, in spite of what I was about to do.

It was a late afternoon in September of 1995 when I began flipping through the yellow pages for something that said "Mosque." I found two entries in the yellow pages. I called the first one and got no answer. Then, I called the second one, and the answer machine picked up giving an alternative phone number to call for help. I called the number, at this point shaking from nervousness. Many things were going through my head, "What if they don't want to be bothered with me? What if they don't accept me? What if I'm making the wrong decision?" I had always been a worrisome person. In fact, earlier that same year, I had worried myself into the hospital. All they could ever conclude was that my stomach was inflamed. The only thing I could do was see a Psychologist who taught me how to relax, and I adhered to a strict diet. It still happens sometimes, but it is a rare thing. I dialed the number not knowing what to expect or who I was calling. A woman answered the phone, and just said, "Hello?" That made me think that this must be a home phone number. I told her I was interested in Islam. I expected her to seem surprised, say she didn't care, or just say, "and....," but she didn't. In fact she acted as if it happened all the time. She told me her husband, the Imam, was at work, and she would have him call me. All of my foolish worrying suddenly ended. I was calm now. Later that night, he called me, and we talked for a long time. He too had reverted some 20 years ago. It was as though he had already lived through the same things I was telling him. Not only did he understand how I thought, but it seemed like he had once had the same thought process. It is natural to question the unknown, and that's all I had done. He invited me to Wednesday night Taleem at the Islamic Center. Oddly enough, it was a rainy night, and no one showed up that night. When I
arrived, it was just he and I in an empty building discussing faith, politics, and life. After talking for at least an hour, one other person showed up, and they prayed. The first night I just watched. The second night I participated, and from that point forward, I was committed to this wonderful religion. As I learned more about Muslims, I continued to study Islam. I started going to Arabic classes on Sundays, and I began to grow even more appreciative of the Glorious Qur'an.

About one month after the day I first stepped into the Masjid, I took the Shahada. It was an emotional night for me. I still remember the brothers that were there to witness it, and I'm sure they remember too. Those words had so much meaning, and so much power. I may not feel that much joy and emotion again until Hajj. It was that powerful. When it was over, I went home and told everybody important to me. My mother was the first to know. She didn't seem surprised. Instead she congratulated me as though she could feel my emotion. My father had a less emotional response, but it was equally as approved. I'm still not sure what my sister's feelings were about it, but she never objected. In fact, my whole family kept most of their opinions to themselves. That showed me that they trusted my judgment, and they were right for doing so.

That was over one year ago when I took the Shahada. It wasn't long after that when I learned to do many of the obligations such as salat, wu'du, the athan, and other things. I had finally began my final journey. No longer would I turn around and go back. I knew this was a lifelong decision. Since that time, I have sometimes had to defend my decision to people, and maybe even justify my very way of life, but that hostility was often from people who were really interested but denying themselves as I had. People have often asked me how I do it. They think Islam is hard. I tell them that after going through what it took me just to realize Islam, this religion is easy. Allah does not wish any difficulty on you. The Qur'an puts it in the most beautiful words that I will humbly display in English, "This day have those who Reject Faith given up All hope of your religion: Yet fear them not But fear Me. This day have I Perfected your religion For you, completed My favour upon you, And have chosen for you Islam as your religion."�sura Al-M�'ida, ayat 3. The road which we travel to get where we intend to go is often worn by the time we get there. I have learned that Islam is a lifetime struggle. This is the essence of Jihad. Those who strive in the Name of their Lord are those who are the righteous. It has indeed been a ride for me. When I first became dissatisfied with Christianity, I entered a tunnel that appeared to have no end. My life seemed to be headed towards a fabricated way of living. With Islam, however, came my exit. It is the light at the end of the tunnel. No longer can I say that I live in self-inflicted solitude. No longer can I say I have lived my life in darkness. No longer can I worry what will happen next. No longer can I say that I am dissatisfied. All I can say is Al-Hamdulillah (praise be to Allah).

 

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excuse moi?regenbui?waarom wil je weer een nare opmerking naar me toe smijten?wat bedoel je ermee?snap het niet hoor..regen?was de zon weg dan?maar ach..ik interpreteer het postitief.ik ga uit van het goede wat je bedoelt.regen..humm...ah,dus er zal weer wat groeien dankzij mij?mashAllah!!!!Alle Lof behoort aan Allah swt. regen is een ware zegen. vind je ook niet?

 

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Deel 21, Hoe ik God heb leren kennen.

Na de 'regenbui' van Muslima, breekt de zon weer door. De hoofdrolspeler is zich steeds meer bewust van zijn onbeschofte gedrag die hij vertoond had.

Ik was in de zevende hemel. Gedurende mijn hele islamitische leven had ik nog nooit meegemaakt dat ik iets van God gevraagd had en een antwoord kreeg. Dit was een bijzonder groot wonder voor mij. Ik voelde me zo klein en nederig tegenover de genade van God. Ik zei tegen God: "Wie ben ik dat u mij al deze gunsten verleent?" Ik kreeg snel antwoord: "Ik heb dit gedaan en ik zal doorgaan om grotere dingen te doen voor degenen die God liefhebben." Ik zei in mijzelf dat ik wilde dat God mij iets zou laten meemaken waardoor ik er zeker van kon zijn dat ik echt veranderd was. Dat zou me echt blij maken.

Al gauw beantwoordde God mijn gebeden. Hij gaf me mijn eerste ervaring in mijn nieuwe relatie met Christus. Op mijn werk ontvingen de werknemers periodiek financi�le beloningen, ieder op zijn beurt. Ik tiranniseerde altijd de financi�le administratie en dwong ze om mij bovenaan de lijst te zetten. Ik nam ook altijd een deel van al deze beloningen, omdat het geld toebehoorde aan christelijke ongelovigen; daarom moest het niet gelijkmatig worden verdeeld.

Op een dag was het weer het moment om geld te ontvangen van de kassier van het bedrijf. Een van mijn collega's zat thuis in erg moeilijke omstandigheden, dus ging hij naar de manager en smeekte hem om hem deze keer het geld te geven zodat hij uit zijn financi�le problemen kon komen. De manager vertelde hem dat de lijst al was vastgesteld en dat iedereen aan de beurt kwam. De manager zei tegen hem: "Meneer X staat bovenaan de lijst en je weet dat hij een slechte man is en dat we hem niet kunnen laten wachten. We moeten hem vooral goedgunstig zijn om zijn onheil af te weren." Op dat moment kwam ik het kantoor van de manager binnen en ik zag hem fluisteren met mijn collega. Ik vroeg meteen aan hen: "Hebben jullie het over de beloning?" De manager antwoordde op een onhandige en plompe manier: "Ja, maar wees niet bang. Jouw naam staat bovenaan de lijst." Ik vroeg hem: "Wat wil mijn collega dan?" Hij antwoordde: "Hij wil deze maand aan de beurt zijn om uit zijn financi�le problemen te komen, maar ik heb zijn verzoek afgewezen.' Ik vroeg: "Waarom? U kunt zijn naam op de plaats van die van mij zetten." De manager dacht dat ik hem de gek aanstak. Hij zei: 'jouw naam staat bovenaan de lijst en niemand kan die verplaatsen." Ik zei: "Maar ik wil mijn plaats aan hem geven deze maand." Hij zei: "Dat is onmogelijk. jij. kun jij zoiets doen?" Ik zei: "ja." Hij vroeg zich af: "Hoe?" Ik antwoordde: "Ik zeg u, verplaats alstublieft mijn naam en zet die van hem ervoor in de plaats. Het zou beter zijn als al onze collega's ook hun beurt opgeven voor hem." Ik hoorde hem zeggen: "Glorie aan God die situaties kan veranderen. Wat gebeurt er? Misschien is het vandaag de Dag des Oordeels! Dat deze persoon dat kan doen! Ik kan het niet geloven!" Ik zei: "God is almachtig en Hij kan maken dat 'Spijze ging uit van de eter, en zoetigheid van de sterke'." Mijn ogen waren nat van tranen in deze situatie, die zich voor het eerst in mijn leven voordeed. Ik nam altijd het leeuwendeel van alles, legaal of illegaal. Maar nu had Christus mij geleerd hoe ik kon geven. Ik was ontroerd dat ik kon genieten van de extatische smaak van het geven.

Mijn familie begon de verandering in mijn leven op te merken. Ze deden altijd de televisie uit en renden weg zodra ze mij zagen, vooral mijn zusters. Na die dag van totale verandering, kwam ik ons huis binnen en liet hen naar de televisie kijken. Ik vroeg ze alleen om niet naar onfatsoenlijke programma's te kijken. Ze zeiden: "Dat is onmogelijk. Sta je ons toe om televisie te kijken?  Geenszins!" Ik antwoordde: "Waarom niet?  Als jullie wisten wat ik voor jullie voel, dan zouden jullie niet geloven hoeveel ik van jullie houd. Ik wil jullie vragen om mij al mijn slechte gedrag tegenover jullie te vergeven." Onmiddellijk begonnen ze allemaal te huilen. Altijd als ik uitging, kuste ik mijn moeder bij mijn thuiskomst en nam af een toe een cadeau voor haar mee. Ze huilde dan. Ik ben God dankbaar dat we een goede relatie hadden toen ze stierf en dat ik er in slaagde om het weer goed te maken wat ik haar had aangedaan. Ik was die God erg dankbaar die de glimlach terugbracht bij alle familieleden, gelovigen en ongelovigen.

Mijn christelijke vrienden volgden alle gebeurtenissen die plaatsvonden en ze waren bang dat de mensen uit het dorp mijn situatie zouden ontdekken en het dan op hun hoofden zouden doen neerkomen, omdat zij mijn vrienden waren. Dus vroegen ze mij om Egypte te verlaten en naar het buitenland te reizen, maar ik weigerde categorisch. Ik was mij er nog steeds van bewust wat ik Christus en de christenen had aangedaan. Daarom, vertelde ik hen, had ik gebeden vanaf de eerste dag dat mijn leven was veranderd, dat God mij zou helpen om Christus net zoveel te dienen als ik hem had bestreden. Ik had Zijn volk in Egypte vervolgd, dus ik zou Egypte niet verlaten. Ik beloofde hen dat ik hun namen in ieder geval niet zou noemen als ik gearresteerd zou worden. Op een dag vroegen ze mijom naar een kerk te gaan waar ik nog nooit geweest was en ik stemde toe zonder discussie. Ik ontmoette enkele van de priesters en ik vertelde hen alles wat God met mij had gedaan. Hun gezichten begonnen te stralen van blijdschap en ze waren ontroerd door de grote wonderen die God in mijn leven had gedaan. Ik wilde gedoopt worden Zij gaven gehoor aan mijn verzoek. Ik werd gedoopt op 9 mei 1993. Ik herinner me die dag nog steeds, omdat ik hem beschouw als mijn echte verjaardag. Het hangt nauw samen met de tijd dat ik opnieuw geboren werd.

 

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USA/Catholic - "How can we be monotheists yet believe in trinity?"

The path to religious conversion is never easily explained. I have had many an individual ask me the question: "How did you come to Islam," expecting an answer within the confines of the passing conversation in which we were engaged. I always feel at such a loss in these situations, for I can never do the conversion process true justice under such constraints. So what follows is my attempt to more adequately explain my journey to Islam. It is my hope that it will serve as a point of reflection for myself, a source of inspiration for other Muslims, and a tool for understanding for non-Muslims.

The Early Years

If you have been to my "Personal" page, you will no doubt notice that I was raised under influence of Christianity. Indeed I attended both a Catholic elementary school and a Jesuit Catholic high school. And for those unaware of Catholicism, being associated with the Jesuits, has quite an indoctrinating potential, for their history as a religious order is one devout missionary work and stalwart defense of the Catholic faith. So from an early age, I was given all the dogmatic tools necessary to forge a solid Catholic persona in my later years.

Catholicism is full of ritual practice, and I was schooled in all the sacraments. At the age of about 13, I had my Confirmation, which as the terms denotes, meant that I confirmed my beliefs as a Christian and professed them publically to my religious community. I must admit this was a turning point for me, because, it was at this time that I realized that I felt a bit uneasy about my faith. It is no doubt asking a lot of a 13 year old in this society to willfully accept the religion of his or her parents. For me, it was not a situation of informed consent; rather it was the acceptance of a status quo for which I had inadequate information to either confirm or refute. It was the beginning of my move away from Christianity.

As I proceeded through high school, I became less and less interested in matters of spirituality and religion and became engrossed with matters of adolescent temporal importance: sports, college, girls, friends, social life, etc. And while I was a very well behaved and conservative young man, my morals and ethics were more an outgrowth of my fear of my father's wrath than anything. So religion was of no serious importance in my life.

Nonetheless, I was attending a Catholic institution, and was required participate in the religious services and events provided for its students. The most important of these requirements, was that each 4th year student, spend a weekend in retreat with the priests and religious staff of the school. It was contructed to be the culmination of one's religious development at the school; transforming students spiritually, and giving them the resolve to be steadfast men of the religion thereafter. Indeed, many people were transformed by the experience, and I vividly remember the scence upon our return from the trip.

Parents had been gathered to meet their sons at the school, and when we had all amassed in the school library, students began to one by one, give their emotional testimonials of enlightenment and empowerment. When my turn came, I found myslef unable to speak as the others had. Over that weekend, I had had more questions about Christianity than anything: Who was Jesus, really? How can we be monotheists yet believe in a trinity? How are we exempt of sin by someone else's death? Why must we believe that during church services, that we actually eat true flesh and drink true blood of a man who has been dead for almost 2000 years? All of these questions went unanswered, and I was therefore not able to have any sort of deepening spiritual experience. So when my turn came to speak, I simply explained that I had felt nothing and that I was not sure of what I was supposed to feel from all this. Needless to say, this was pivotal in my movement toward Islam; for I was at the point in my life where I had basically rejected Christianity. I had not yet embraced anything else; but I was definitely quite far from the fold of the belief of my upbringing.

The College Years

I don't listen to Howard Stern (the sleazy radio disc jockey from New York) on the radio anymore, but I did happen to be listening one morning a while ago, when he said something I completely agreed with . That morning, he asserted that college is nothing more than a place for young people to go and have sex. Now while that is not the only thing college is good for, he did touch on the a basic failure in our higher eductional system: that college has become a right of passage in which people are given wholesale liscence to explore anything and everything. And the things that are most frequently explored are things of vice, and matters of cynicism toward established norms and values, especially of religious nature. I was very caught up in this culture of excess.

I had been a competitive swimmer all through my childhood and high school years. I had competed at the Junior National level, and was on the verge of making some positive strides in my sport. Unfortunately though, I was attending Stanford University, a school where even nationally ranked swimmers sometimes fall to the wayside due to the calibur of swimmers it attracts. The result was my being cut from the swim team in the middle of the fall quarter. Suddenly I found myself with far too much time on my hands, with no contructive way to fill it. I turned to a fraternity to fill the void.

By the time spring quarter of my frshman year arrived, I was well ensconced in fraternity life, and well on the road to destruction. Stanford's swim coach allowed me to come back to the team that quarter; but fraternity life, academics, and work had stretched me so thin that I was not able to withstand the rigors of a collegiate swimming program. Therefore I stopped swimming, and did not return to the sport until my senior year.

In the interum, I filled my time with may social activities, community service, activism in the african-american community, chasing women, wasting time, etc. I paid too little attention to my academic responsibilites, and my record suffered as a result. Religion was far from my mind, and morals and ethics were slipping away as well. But as I apporached my final year of school I realized somehow that my life needed a change. It was at this time that Islam came into the picture.

During high school I had taken a comparative religion course in which Islam was discussed. I understood the tennants of faith, and actually thought that it seemed a logical progression after Christianity. As an african-american, I had always had a favorable notion of Islam, since many african-americans looked at Islam as a religion that belonged to our slave ancestors from Africa. So Islam had always been in the back of my mind. I also perceived a devotion of Muslims to moral and ethical excellence, and I appreciated and respected that greatly. Therefore, I began to look at practical ways in which some of Islam might help pull me from the difficultly in which I had found myslef.

Number one on my list of refinements, was to cease sexual and dating activity. I had become far to enamored with the romance games played regularly by my contemporaries. I saw this preoccupation as a serious impediment to my progrgess. The second element of my lifestyle to be tackled was my drinking of alcohol. I had not been a very regular drinker, I felt what drinking I was doing was also very detrimental to my personal improvement.

Both of these changes came in the beginnning of my senior year. I also began to train again in the swimming pool. I practiced by myself and competed on one occassion as well. This drove me to want to truly regain my competitive form, and at that time I solidified my resolve to join a team again upon my graduation from Stanford. By swimming more and more; I had less time to involve myself in social activity and I began to step away from my life of excess. By the time I graduated, I was fairly pleased with my moral and ethical progress; yet I still had not had any spritual growth.

The Conversion

I finished my degree in the fall of 1993, and began swimming for Palo Alto Swim Club shortly thereafter. As I involved myself with the sport more, I became more disciplined. I was working part-time on Stanford's campus at the school's career center, so I had some stability in my life.

During my college years, I had become good friends with a young high school girl. I was a tutor at her high school, and we had a good rapport with one another. During my senior year, she had become very interested in Islam, and had converted shortly after her graduation. Although she was in New York for college, we stayed in touch, and often discussed Islam. I talked to her about my understanding of and agreement with its moral practices. She also talked about the belief as well, and introduced me to the actual matter of faith and recognition of God in one's life.

Our conversations continued for almost a 9 months; and in the summer of 1994, I decided to exlore Islam more fully. I figured that it could not hurt, since I already agreed with much of its practice. So I posted a some questions on the internet in the newsgroup soc.religion.islam; and to my surprise I was greeted with over 200 messages over the next week. Two message in particular stood out as momentous in my conversion. The frist came from Yousef Ismail, the then president of the Islamic Society of Stanford University. He inivited me to come to one of their regular meeting. The other came from a brother in New Jersey (Alledine Zeneidine(sp??)), who offered to call me should I ever want to talk about Islam. In short, I went to the ISSU meeting, and spoke with Alledine.

The ISSU meeting opened me up to people in my area I could ask questions; and although I did not go to another ISSU meeting until after my conversion, I did begin to see Muslim brothers on campus as I went about my daily business. My conversation with Alledine impressed me greatly. Here was a man, who did not even know me, yet was willing to spend his time and money (2 hours!!!) on the phone with me, willing to answer any question I asked. I had never had anyone go out of their way for me in such a manner.

From June until September, I wrestled with questions of Islam. I had no logical difficulties with it as a faith; in fact, it all made perfect sense to me. It seemed to put the monotheistic faith started by Abraham back into its proper context. However, I was being pulled by something, in the opposite direction. I began to have doubts that I could withstand formal adherence to the moral code. I was reluctant to walk away from being able to date girls, and have a "social life." Even though I had already given up much of this, the prospect of formalizing it seemed difficult. There were two events however that proved to me that God was indeed calling me to Islam.

First, I had gotten a call from some friends to go to a party with them one evening in early september. They had planned to go to a local bar for some beers and general "merry-making." I had told them no earlier, but began to feel that I didn't have the resolve to be Muslim anyway, and that I should go with them. I happened to be at the swimming pool doing a workout, when I decided that I just didn't want to deal with Islam anymore, and that I wanted to be free to have a drink with my friends when I wanted. I made up my mind and went to dry off and get dressed. As I was putting my shoes on though, I looked up and saw one of the Muslim brothers from the Islamic Society. Even though it had been 2 months since I last saw him, he recognized me and came over to say high. We ended up talking for 45 minutes, and in that time, I felt more empowered about Islam, and decided to stick to my quest to understand Islam. So I didn't go out with my friends that night, and I did begin to think more seriously about Islam again.

Some time later, I happened to be watching television. I was always a big fan of the Spanish language station in the San Francisco area, because they had a tendancy to put on shows where the women don't wear much clothing. So I while I wasn't dating anyone, I dated my television on occassion. One night I happened to see a program with so many attractive women, and I began to feel that I didn't want to walk away from the possibility of being involved with such beautiful women. I felt that Islam was too strict. And just as I was about to again discard my quest toward Islam, the phone rang, and it was the Muslim sister I had known from my college years. We talked for some time, and I began to realize how much I respected her and how beautiful she seemed to me, even though she covered her head and wore modest clothing. Once again I pulled back into my quest.

For the next month, I explored Islam more and more. Finally I came to a point of decision. I found that I definitely agreed with the moral and ethical system. But what is more, I realized that God was giving clear signs of what he wanted me to do. And when you realize that God actually communicates his will to you (not in the human way, of course), your eyes suddenly open up and things become much clearer. It was scary and empowering at the same time. I realized that God was talking to me, and once that happens, there is no turning back. At that point I knew that while I did not call myself a Muslim, I was nonetheless leading the life that a Muslim leads. So I decided to make it formal, and one night while watching the movie "The Message" with a brother from the Islamic Society, I decided to profess my faith to him. I did so, and thus began my life as a Muslim.

My 3 years in Islam

Since becoming Muslim, my progress has been fast and furious, and I am trying to become knowledgeable as to matters of faith and practice. The first year and ahlf was full of interaction with the Islamic Society, and I grew tremendously from spending time at meetings with other brothers. Our conversations ranged from topic to topic and I was given a great introduction to the religion. After that first year and a half, I was posed the opportunity to go to Saudi Arabia to live and work for a year. So I took it, and was able to make Hajj, Ummrah, learn some Arabic, and grow in my faith more. And as I close in on my 4th year as a Muslim, I look to formalize my education as a Muslim, and get a true handle on the religion. May Allah (swt) keep me on the straight path, and may we all continue to make positive progress as an Ummah.

 
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Philippines/Born-again Christian - Former Sunday School teacher & full-time ministry worker

 

All praise is due to Allah, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon His last Messenger, Prophet Muhammad, his family, companions, and those following true guidance.

 

This is my story why I embrace Islam. During my childhood, I was brought up in the Catholic faith particularly within the Aglipayan sect. My grandfather and aunt are faith healers. They worship idols and spirits. I also witnessed many sick people who came to my grandfather and aunt to be healed and they were healed. Thus, these caused me to follow what they believe in.

 

When I reached the age of seventeen, I noticed that there are many religions having different types of doctrine, however, using one common source, which is the Bible. Everyone claims to be the true religion. Then, I ask my self; �Shall I remain with my family�s faith or shall I try to attend and listen to other religion?�  One day my cousin invited me to attend the Pentecost Church. My motive was only to observe what they are doing inside their Church. I witnessed that they employ singing, clapping, dancing, crying and raising of hands in worship to Jesus (peace be upon him). The pastor preached about the bible.  He mentioned the most common verses quoted by all preachers pertaining to the divinity of Christ such as: John 1:12, John 3:16, John 8:31-32. That time, I became a Born Again Christian. I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and personal savior. Everyday, my friends are visiting me to go with them in the church. Two months later, they baptized me. I became a regular member of their congregation. Five years passed, our pastor convinced me to work in the ministry, as a volunteer worker. Later on, I became a lead-singer, worship leader, and a Sunday school teacher. Eventually, I became a full time worker in the ministry. My congregation is under the Free Rural Evangelization and Expansion (F.R.E.E.) Mission. It is an evangelical ministry just like the Jesus is Lord (J.I.L), Nazarene, Bread of Life, Pentecostal church, etc.

 

I began teaching people about the bible and its doctrines. I read the bible twice from cover to cover. I committed myself to memorize chapters and verses of the bible for the purpose of protecting the faith I am uphold to defend. With the position I have attained, I became proud of myself. I often tell myself that I do not need another teachings or scriptures except the bible. However, within me, there is still spiritual emptiness. I prayed, fasted, and served to fulfill the will of the god I use to worship, but I only find happiness when inside my church. This feeling of happiness is not constant even I was with my family. I also noticed that some of my friends who are likewise pastors are materialistic. They indulge themselves with carnality such as illicit relationships with women, corruption, and thirst for fame.

 

In spite of these, I blindly continued to hold firm with my faith. This is because I know according to our teachings, many are called but few are chosen. I always prayed to Jesus Christ (pbuh) to forgive my sins as well as their sins. I thought that he is the solution to my problems and as such, he can answer all my prayers.

However, looking into the lives of my co-pastors, you cannot find among them as good examples to the flocks they pastorate. Thus, my faith began to decline. Still, I strive hard to work to serve my congregation

 

One day, I thought of going abroad not only to work but also with the intention to proselytize the name of Jesus as Lord, astagfirullah. My plan was to go either Taiwan or Korea. However, by Divine Will, I got a visa for Saudi Arabia. Immediately, I signed a three-year contract to work in Jeddah.

A week after I arrived in Jeddah, I observed the diverse lifestyle of different people such as the language, customs, and even the food they eat. I was totally ignorant of other�s culture.

 

Alhamdulillah, I have a Filipino co-worker in the factory that happens to be a Muslim and who can speak Arabic. Though, there was little apprehension, I tried to ask him about the Muslims, their faith and beliefs. I thought Muslims were hard-killers who worship satan, Pharaohs, and Muhammad (pbuh) as lords. I shared to him my faith in Christ. As response, he told me that his religion it totally different from my religion. He quoted two verses from the Holy Qur�aan. One in surah al-maidah 5: verse 3 which says;

 

��This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.�

 

Another in surah yusuf 12: verse 40 which says;

 

�You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged), you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. The command is for none but Allah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him, that is the straight religion, but most men know not.�

 

The verses he quoted struck me. After that I began to observe his life. Everyday we shared each other�s belief and eventually became close friends. In one occasion, we went to Balad (the commercial district of Jeddah) to post some letters. There, I happened to notice many people watching video of a debate by my favorite �preacher�.   My Muslim friend told me that the favorite �preacher� I was telling him happens to be Ahmad Deedat and apparently a famous propagator of Islam. I told him that, our pastors back home had made us to believe that he is just a �great preacher�. They kept to us his real identity that he is a Muslim propagator! Whatever their intention was, definitely, it was to keep us away from knowing the truth. Nevertheless, I bought the videotape as well as some books to read about Islam.

In our residence, my Muslim friend told to me about the stories of the prophets. I was really convinced but pride kept me away from Islam.

 

Seven months later, another Muslim friend from India went to my room and gave me an English translation of the Qur�aan. Later on, he brought me to Balad and accompanied me to an Islamic Center nearby. There, I met one Filipino Brother. We had some religious discussions and related to me his life before when he was a Christian. Then he lectured to me the teachings of Islam.

 

That blessed night, on the 18th of April 1998, without compulsion, I finally entered Islam. I announced my declaration of faith called the shahadatain, Allahu Akbar!

Before I was following a blind faith. But now, I see the ultimate truth that Islam is the best and complete way of life designed for the whole of mankind, alhamdulillahi rabbil �alamin. My prayer is that Allah will forgive us all our Ignorance regarding Islam and Guide us to the siratal mustaqeem (straight path) leading to Paradise.

 

Ameen.

 

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Deel 20, Hoe ik God heb leren kennen. Zou God te groot zijn voor 1 religie? De hoofdrolspeler hervindt de harmonie in zijn wezen; God is groter dan de nietige mens kan bevatten.

Ik huiverde alsof ik door een zweepslag werd gewekt en ik liep snel naar de kleine kast in een van de hoeken van mijn kamer. Ik rilde toen ik hem opendeed en tot mijn grote verbazing vond ik daar het boek dat ik verloren had. Ik verstijfde een moment. Ik rilde alsof het een koude winternacht was. Ik klemde de bijbel stijf tegen me aan als een kind dat na een lange tijd bij zijn moeder terugkomt.

Ik rende naar mijn moeder, maakte haar wakker en overlaadde haar met kussen. Ik vertelde haar blij wat er die morgen gebeurd was. Ik zei: "Ik zal nooit meer toestaan dat jullie mij krankzinnig noemen." Ik wierp me in haar armen terwijl ik huilde en zei: "Vergeef me mama, dat ik u hardvochtig behandeld heb, ik dacht dat dat overeenkomstig het ware geloof was.  Maar nu weet ik wat het ware geloof is  Laat me alstublieft uw voeten kussen, met minder neem ik geen genoegen." Ze zei: "Vertel me mijn zoon, wat is er met je gebeurt?" Ik antwoordde: "Ik zal het u vertellen, maar zweer alstublieft bij alles wat u lief is, dat u niet zult denken dat ik gek geworden ben. Moeder, God heeft mij geleid."

Ze vroeg: "En waar was je voorheen dan?"

Ik antwoordde: "God die me geleid heeft is niet degene die ik voorheen volgde."

Zij antwoordde: "Is er een andere God?"

Ik zei: "Ja, er is een andere God die mij opdraagt om u lief te hebben en u te gehoorzamen."

Ze vroeg: "Wie is die God?"

Ik vertelde haar: "De Christus, Isa zoals de koran zegt."

Ze verzocht mij dringend: "Alsjeblieft mijn zoon, zeg dit niet tegen je broers. Zij zullen denken dat je werkelijk gek geworden bent."

Ik zei: "Goed, ik zal doen wat u zegt, maar gelooft u mij?" Zij merkte op: "Waarom zou ik je niet geloven? Ik heb het bewijs al gezien; je hebt me twintig jaar lang nooit op deze manier behandeld. Ga, en God zal je nooit in de steek laten. Maar houd het geheim." Ik vertrouwde haar toe: "Verplaats u in mijn schoenen, dan zult u mijn ware gevoelens begrijpen. Ik wilde dat ik in een openbare ruimte kon staan en met luide stem kon uitroepen dat Christus God is en dat Hij mij veranderd heeft. Hij deed wat Mohammed niet kon doen." Ze legde haar hand op mijn mond en verhinderde mij om verder te spreken.

Vanaf die tijd ging ik bij zonsopgang naar buiten om mensen te ontmoeten alsof ik een pasgeboren baby was, die voor het eerst het levenslicht ziet. Ik ging 's morgens vroeg naar buiten en keek naar alles om mij heen. Ik zag alles met schoonheid bedekt. Alle mensen waren goed in mijn ogen. Ik begon alle mensen die ik tegenkwam de hand te schudden, of ik ze kende of niet. Ik ging naar de christelijke kruidenier. Ik deed hem altijd zoveel kwaad dat hij, toen hij mij zag, dacht dat ik kwam om hem aan te vallen. Hij ging snel zijn winkel sluiten. Ik riep naar hem: "Wees niet bang." Hij was verbijsterd en zei geen woord. Ik omhelsde hem en vroeg hem om mij te vergeven. Hij moest wel huilen. Hij zei een paar woorden die ik op dat moment niet begreep. Later besefte ik de volle betekenis ervan. Hij zei: "Halleluja, prijs de Heer." Ik zei: "Wat zei je net?" Hij zei: "Op Zijn tijd zul je weten wat het betekent." Daarna liep hij weg.

Ik bekeek de mensen vanuit een nieuw gezichtspunt. Ik vroeg me af of ik mijn gezond verstand verloren had. De mensen staarden naar mij en vroegen zich af wat er met mij was gebeurd. Zelfs mijn collega's waren totaal verbaasd toen ze de plotselinge en radicale verandering in mijn gedrag zagen. Ik zag de verbazing op hun gezichten die zeiden: "Deze man spuugde gisteren nog op ons. En kijk nu eens; hij is als een zacht lammetje! Wat gebeurt er? Is dit een nieuwe tactiek of een nieuw plan tegen ons?" Ik zag perplexiteit en verwarring weerspiegeld op hun gezichten, hun opgetrokken wenkbrauwen en verbaasde ogen. Ze konden niet geloven dat mijn gedrag 180 graden veranderd zou zijn. Maar ik besteedde niet veel aandacht aan hun reacties. Al waar ik mij om bekommerde was om het goed te maken met degenen die ik had aangevallen, vernederd en beledigd. Ik was buiten mezelf van vreugde die mijn hart vulde. Voor het eerst in mijn leven was mijn hele innerlijke wezen gevuld met zachtmoedigheid en kalmte. Soms dacht ik dat het een mooie droom was. Ik wilde niet ontwaken uit die droom. Maar het was de kracht van God. Ik had haast om meer ervaringen te krijgen die zouden bewijzen dat ik echt voor altijd veranderd was en niet slechts tijdelijk.

Ik bleef denken aan wat de man, die ik in mijn visioen had gezien, had gezegd - ik zou de papieren binnen een week terugvinden. De dagen gingen voorbij en ik begon te twijfelen aan het visioen. Ik was bang dat ik mijn papieren niet zou terugvinden. Dat zou waarschijnlijk een einde maken aan mijn geluk. Ik telde de dagen tot de dag voor de deadline, die in het visioen gegeven was, aangebroken was. Op die dag was ik dichtbij het treinstation en ik wilde iemand bellen, dus ik moest naar dezelfde telefooncel gaan waar ik een week geleden mijn papieren had verloren. Ik aarzelde even. Ik liep naar voren en daarna weer terug. De eigenaar van de telefooncel zag dit en hij zei tegen mij: "ik zie dat u aarzelt. Is er een probleem?" Ik zei:�Nee, maar deze telefoon is een slecht voorteken voor toen ik er vorige week gebruik van maakte, heb ik mijn tas verloren. Ik wil hem niet weer gebruiken, omdat ik niet weet wat ik deze keer zal verliezen." Hij vroeg: "Was het uw tas?" Ik antwoordde: "Ja, weet u waar hij is?" Hij antwoordde: "Geef me een beschrijving van de tas om aan te tonen dat hij werkelijk van u is en dan zal ik u zeggen waar hij is." Ik vertelde hem dat het een plastic tas was met wat papieren, een Boek als de koran, mijn identiteitskaart en mijn paspoort. Er zat geen geld in de tas. Hij knikte en zei: "Dat klopt." Hij zei me de volgende dag terug te komen dan zou hij me naar degen die hem had gevonden.

De volgende dag was de zevende dag nadat ik het visioen had gezien. We gingen naar een dorp in de voorsteden van Ca�ro naar het zuiden. We ontmoetten de man die de tas had gevonden. Hij gaf hem aan mij terug. Ik opende het snel, maar ik vond het boek niet. Ik zei tegen hem: "Er mist een boek." Hij zei: "Ik zweer bij de naam van God dat ik niets uit de tas genomen heb. Er zitten papieren, paspoort, identiteitskaart en een koran (bijbel) in." Ik was blij om dat te horen en ik vertelde hem dat ik hem geloofde. Dat betekende dat God zijn belofte aan mij was nagekomen dat Hij mij het verloren Boek zou teruggeven

 

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ja idd, ik heb zeker bestaansrecht. maar je kan dus wel begrijpen dat de moslims worden verweten van allerlei dingen, maar dat ieder muntje twee kanten heeft. ik heb en dat meen ik echt veel discriminatie gezien van mensen die zich christenen noemen. niet door atheisten, of door hindoues of budhisten of joden, maar echt mensen die zich christen noemen. en ik zeg expres mensen die zich christen noemen omdat ik heus wel weet dat t chtristendom dit niet leert. maar waarom kan ik de scheidslijn maken tussen theorie en praktijk en geef een ander persoon weer een kans en wordt dat niet bij ons moslims gedaan?en wordt de hele islam beledigd. begrijp je de frustratie?en ik ben niet de enige die dit gewoon abnormaal vindt. soms loop je echt iedere keer tegen een muur. en die muur wordt puur door onwetendheid gebouwd. onwetendheid bij de mensen die niks noppes nada van islam weten. ze hebben er volgens mij voor t eerst van gehoord of weten dat we per dag 5 keer bidden. en t is echt een wonder als ze dat weten. is het niet de plicht van een nederlander hier in nl om wat te weten over het geloof van 1 miljoen bewoners van zijn land?in plaats van steeds een stikkertje te plakken op osn hoofd. ik weet echt heel veel over het christendom en jodendom, hindoeisme, buddhsime. ik kan met iedereen mee discussieren. maar wat ik vaak merk is dat de tegnpartij niks van mijn geloof weet. ik moet alles uitleggen. waarom is dit zo?waarom weet ik waarom pinksteren wordt gevierd en weten bep mensen niet waarom we vasten?waarom waarom waarom?deze vraag komt steeds bij me op. en mn enige antwoord tot nu is:onwil. mensen willen lieevr niks weten over iets waar ze niet in geinteresseerd zijn. maar als er iets in het nieuws wordt gezegd en het is negatief, nou, in bussen wordt er dan openlijk over gepraat en geoordeeld. dan zijn we opeens wel interessant. begrijp je de frustratie?ik zeg niet dat iedereen zo is. absoluut niet. heb goede vriendinnen van bijna elk geloof daarom weet ik er zoveel over, maar sorry dak t zeg, maar t is de waarheid:er zijn er wel veel die wel zo krom denken.

.en bedankt voor je bijdrage by the way,

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Beste Muslima5,


Mijn dochter heeft bestaansrecht op deze wereld om de eenvoudige reden omdat zij door God op aarde is gebracht. En dat geld ook voor jou.




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Beste Muslima5,

Mijn schoonzoon is een gekleurde nederlander. Hij verteld me regelmatig over hoe hij gediscrimineerd wordt. Als hij zijn verhaal doet, voel ik woede in me opkomen. Hij reageert heel gelaten. Als ik hem vraag waarom hij zo rustig blijft zegt hij dat hij eraan gewend is geraakt.

En dat maakt me nog bozer!!

Mijn dochter werkt in Den Haag. Zij is een echte westerse vrouw. Zij wordt heel regelmatig voor hoer uitgescholden; jij mag raden door welke bevolkingsgroep dat gebeurd. Gelukkig reageert zij er niet op en doet deze uitspraken af als stupiditeit en lompheid.

Moeten we discriminatie accepteren?NEEN. Discriminatie dienen we ALTIJD te bestrijden. (Hoewel discriminatie oermenselijk is)

Mijn dochter heeft bestaansrecht op deze wereld om de eenvoudige reden omdat zij door God op aarde is gebracht. En dat geld ook voor jou.

Groet,

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hoi pp

dank voor de post.ik begrijp het. idd, de werkelijke moslim gaat idd voor liefde voor de medemens. zie het artikel rechtsboven onder artikel top 5. in islam zit heel veel goeds en liefde. ik vind het dus jammer dat bepaalde christenen en andersgelovigen de islam aanvallen vanwege hun onwetendheid. dat is wat mij erg boos kan maken. reageren uit onwetendheid. blikken die ik in de bus krijg uit onwetendheid. scheldwoorden die ik naar me toe krijg geslingerd door onwetendheid. en allemaal beweren deze mensen gelovig te zijn..en jammer genoeg zijn het vaak christenen. dus ja.. ik zeg niet dat het christendom dit leert. maar wat jij zegt te zien op deze forum zie ik helaas in het echte leven. je moet eens even een keer in de schoenen staan van een moslimmeisje met hoofddoek of een jongeman met baard. iedereen kijkt angstig zodra je je tas aanraakt. echt angstig. een glimlach wordt niet beantwoord. maar omdat mijn religie mij leert vergevensgezind te zijn en aardig te zijn voor de medemens, probeer ik t iedere keer weer. dus ja. wat jij net zei over bep moslims is zeer zeker goed van toepassing voor bep christenen. als zij geloven dat je liefde vor de medemens moet hebben, well where is it?i aint seein nothin but hate and ignorance.mensen die opstaan als je naast ze komt zitten in de bus. niet om uit te stappen, nee, maar gaan op een ander plekje zitten. dan denk ik: ach weet je?bekijk het maar.ik heb geen vlooien of zo! echt waar. maar bedankt voor je inzichten.en misschien moet dat liefde voor de medemens bij de christenen ook maar eens wat meer uitgebreid worden naar ook liefde voor de moslimmedemens. cause  we are human too.echt, ik spreek uit ervaringen met mijn christenmedemens. maar natuurlijk zijn niet alle christenen zo.

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Beste Muslima5, in 1 woord prachtig. Wat kan geloof toch mooi zijn.

Ik wil je erop wijzen dat mijn essentie niet is om een moslim naar het christendom te bekeren. Iedereen heeft m.i. het individuele recht dat geloof te kiezen wat hij/zij wenst. (jammer dat de gemiddelde moslim hier anders over denkt)

De reden van plaatsing is dat de hoofdrolspeler in mijn verhaal uiteindelijk de essentie van geloof oppakt; liefde voor de medemens.

Dat lijkt me geen alleenrecht van het christendom. Ik ben ervan overtuigd dat ook de werkelijke moslim hiervanuit gaat.

De hoofdrolspeler strijdt zijn eigen jihad. Het gevecht in onszelf om je wezenlijke 'ik' te bereiken. De jihad die ik hier vaak lees is vooral het gevecht tegen die ander, wie dat ook moge wezen. En dat klaag ik aan! Die jihad is een schijngevecht, een gevecht van de duivel.

Zolang je je eigen strijd niet gestreden hebt, strijdt niet tegen anderen.

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A CHRISTIAN MINISTER�S CONVERSION TO ISLAM

� 2002 (Abu Yahya) Jerald F. Dirks, M.Div., Psy.D.

One of my earliest childhood memories is of hearing the church bell toll for Sunday morning worship in the small, rural town in which I was raised.  The Methodist Church was an old, wooden structure with a bell tower, two children�s Sunday School classrooms cubbyholed behind folding, wooden doors to separate it from the sanctuary, and a choir loft that housed the Sunday school classrooms for the older children.  It stood less than two blocks from my home.  As the bell rang, we would come together as a family, and make our weekly pilgrimage to the church.

In that rural setting from the 1950s, the three churches in the town of about 500 were the center of community life.  The local Methodist Church, to which my family belonged, sponsored ice cream socials with hand-cranked, homemade ice cream, chicken potpie dinners, and corn roasts.  My family and I were always involved in all three, but each came only once a year.  In addition, there was a two-week community Bible school every June, and I was a regular attendee through my eighth grade year in school.  However, Sunday morning worship and Sunday school were weekly events, and I strove to keep extending my collection of perfect attendance pins and of awards for memorizing Bible verses.

By my junior high school days, the local Methodist Church had closed, and we were attending the Methodist Church in the neighboring town, which was only slightly larger than the town in which I lived.  There, my thoughts first began to focus on the ministry as a personal calling.  I became active in the Methodist Youth Fellowship, and eventually served as both a district and a conference officer.  I also became the regular �preacher� during the annual Youth Sunday service.  My preaching began to draw community-wide attention, and before long I was occasionally filling pulpits at other churches, at a nursing home, and at various church-affiliated youth and ladies groups, where I typically set attendance records.

By age 17, when I began my freshman year at Harvard College, my decision to enter the ministry had solidified.  During my freshman year, I enrolled in a two-semester course in comparative religion, which was taught by Wilfred Cantwell Smith, whose specific area of expertise was Islam.  During that course, I gave far less attention to Islam, than I did to other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, as the latter two seemed so much more esoteric and strange to me.  In contrast, Islam appeared to be somewhat similar to my own Christianity.  As such, I didn�t concentrate on it as much as I probably should have, although I can remember writing a term paper for the course on the concept of revelation in the Qur�an.  Nonetheless, as the course was one of rigorous academic standards and demands, I did acquire a small library of about a half dozen books on Islam, all of which were written by non-Muslims, and all of which were to serve me in good stead 25 years later.  I also acquired two different English translations of the meaning of the Qur�an, which I read at the time.

That spring, Harvard named me a Hollis Scholar, signifying that I was one of the top pre-theology students in the college.  The summer between my freshman and sophomore years at Harvard, I worked as a youth minister at a fairly large United Methodist Church.  The following summer, I obtained my License to Preach from the United Methodist Church.  Upon graduating from Harvard College in 1971, I enrolled at the Harvard Divinity School, and there obtained my Master of Divinity degree in 1974, having been previously ordained into the Deaconate of the United Methodist Church in 1972, and having previously received a Stewart Scholarship from the United Methodist Church as a supplement to my Harvard Divinity School scholarships.  During my seminary education, I also completed a two-year externship program as a hospital chaplain at Peter Bent Brigham Hospital in Boston.  Following graduation from Harvard Divinity School, I spent the summer as the minister of two United Methodist churches in rural Kansas, where attendance soared to heights not seen in those churches for several years.


Seen from the outside, I was a very promising young minister, who had received an excellent education, drew large crowds to the Sunday morning worship service, and had been successful at every stop along the ministerial path.  However, seen from the inside, I was fighting a constant war to maintain my personal integrity in the face of my ministerial responsibilities.  This war was far removed from the ones presumably fought by some later televangelists in unsuccessfully trying to maintain personal sexual morality.  Likewise, it was a far different war than those fought by the headline-grabbing pedophilic priests of the current moment.   However, my struggle to maintain personal integrity may be the most common one encountered by the better-educated members of the ministry.


There is some irony in the fact that the supposedly best, brightest, and most idealistic of ministers-to-be are selected for the very best of seminary education, e.g. that offered at that time at the Harvard Divinity School.  The irony is that, given such an education, the seminarian is exposed to as much of the actual historical truth as is known about :  1) the formation of the early, �mainstream� church, and how it was shaped by geopolitical considerations; 2) the �original� reading of various Biblical texts, many of which are in sharp contrast to what most Christians read when they pick up their Bible, although gradually some of this information is being incorporated into newer and better translations; 3) the evolution of such concepts as a triune godhead and the �sonship� of Jesus, peace be upon him; 4) the non-religious considerations that underlie many Christian creeds and doctrines; 5) the existence of those early churches and Christian movements which never accepted the concept of a triune godhead, and which never accepted the concept of the divinity of Jesus, peace be upon him; and 6) etc.  (Some of these fruits of my seminary education are recounted in more detail in my recent book, The Cross and the Crescent:  An Interfaith Dialogue between Christianity and Islam, Amana Publications, 2001.)


As such, it is no real wonder that almost a majority of such seminary graduates leave seminary, not to �fill pulpits�, where they would be asked to preach that which they know is not true, but to enter the various counseling professions.  Such was also the case for me, as I went on to earn a master�s and doctorate in clinical psychology.  I continued to call myself a Christian, because that was a needed bit of self-identity, and because I was, after all, an ordained minister, even though my full time job was as a mental health professional.  However, my seminary education had taken care of any belief I might have had regarding a triune godhead or the divinity of Jesus, peace be upon him.  (Polls regularly reveal that ministers are less likely to believe these and other dogmas of the church than are the laity they serve, with ministers more likely to understand such terms as �son of God� metaphorically, while their parishioners understand it literally.)  I thus became a �Christmas and Easter Christian�, attending church very sporadically, and then gritting my teeth and biting my tongue as I listened to sermons espousing that which I knew was not the case.


None of the above should be taken to imply that I was any less religious or spiritually oriented than I had once been.  I prayed regularly, my belief in a supreme deity remained solid and secure, and I conducted my personal life in line with the ethics I had once been taught in church and Sunday school.  I simply knew better than to buy into the man-made dogmas and articles of faith of the organized church, which were so heavily laden with the pagan influences, polytheistic notions, and geo-political considerations of a bygone era.


As the years passed by, I became increasingly concerned about the loss of religiousness in American society at large.  Religiousness is a living, breathing spirituality and morality within individuals, and should not be confused with religiosity, which is concerned with the rites, rituals, and formalized creeds of some organized entity, e.g. the church.  American culture increasingly appeared to have lost its moral and religious compass.  Two out of every three marriages ended in divorce; violence was becoming an increasingly inherent part of our schools and our roads; self-responsibility was on the wane; self-discipline was being submerged by a �if it feels good, do it� morality; various Christian leaders and institutions were being swamped by sexual and financial scandals; and emotions justified behavior, however odious it might be.  American culture was becoming a morally bankrupt institution, and I was feeling quite alone in my personal religious vigil.


It was at this juncture that I began to come into contact with the local Muslim community.  For some years before, my wife and I had been actively involved in doing research on the history of the Arabian horse.  Eventually, in order to secure translations of various Arabic documents, this research brought us into contact with Arab Americans who happened to be Muslims.  Our first such contact was with Jamal in the summer of 1991.


After an initial telephone conversation, Jamal visited our home, and offered to do some translations for us, and to help guide us through the history of the Arabian horse in the Middle East.  Before Jamal left that afternoon, he asked if he might:  use our bathroom to wash before saying his scheduled prayers; and borrow a piece of newspaper to use as a prayer rug, so he could say his scheduled prayers before leaving our house.  We, of course, obliged, but wondered if there was something more appropriate that we could give him to use than a newspaper.  Without our ever realizing it at the time, Jamal was practicing a very beautiful form of Dawa (preaching or exhortation).  He made no comment about the fact that we were not Muslims, and he didn�t preach anything to us about his religious beliefs.  He �merely� presented us with his example, an example that spoke volumes, if one were willing to be receptive to the lesson.


Over the next 16 months, contact with Jamal slowly increased in frequency, until it was occurring on a biweekly to weekly basis.  During these visits, Jamal never preached to me about Islam, never questioned me about my own religious beliefs or convictions, and never verbally suggested that I become a Muslim.  However, I was beginning to learn a lot.  First, there was the constant behavioral example of Jamal observing his scheduled prayers.  Second, there was the behavioral example of how Jamal conducted his daily life in a highly moral and ethical manner, both in his business world and in his social world.  Third, there was the behavioral example of how Jamal interacted with his two children.  For my wife, Jamal�s wife provided a similar example.  Fourth, always within the framework of helping me to understand Arabian horse history in the Middle East, Jamal began to share with me:  1) stories from Arab and Islamic history; 2) sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him; and 3) Qur�anic verses and their contextual meaning.  In point of fact, our every visit now included at least a 30 minute conversation centered on some aspect of Islam, but always presented in terms of helping me intellectually understand the Islamic context of Arabian horse history.  I was never told �this is the way things are�, I was merely told �this is what Muslims typically believe�.  Since I wasn�t being �preached to�, and since Jamal never inquired as to my own beliefs, I didn�t need to bother attempting to justify my own position.  It was all handled as an intellectual exercise, not as proselytizing.

Gradually, Jamal began to introduce us to other Arab families in the local Muslim community.  There was Wa�el and his family, Khalid and his family, and a few others.  Consistently, I observed individuals and families who were living their lives on a much higher ethical plane than the American society in which we were all embedded.  Maybe there was something to the practice of Islam that I had missed during my collegiate and seminary days.


By December, 1992, I was beginning to ask myself some serious questions about where I was and what I was doing.  These questions were prompted by the following considerations.  1) Over the course of the prior 16 months, our social life had become increasingly centered on the Arab component of the local Muslim community.  By December, probably 75% of our social life was being spent with Arab Muslims.  2) By virtue of my seminary training and education, I knew how badly the Bible had been corrupted (and often knew exactly when, where, and why), I had no belief in any triune godhead, and I had no belief in anything more than a metaphorical �sonship� of Jesus, peace be upon him.  In short, while I certainly believed in God, I was as strict a monotheist as my Muslim friends.  3) My personal values and sense of morality were much more in keeping with my Muslim friends than with the �Christian� society around me.  After all, I had the non-confrontational examples of Jamal, Khalid, and Wa�el as illustrations.  In short, my nostalgic yearning for the type of community in which I had been raised was finding gratification in the Muslim community.  American society might be morally bankrupt, but that did not appear to be the case for that part of the Muslim community with which I had had contact.  Marriages were stable, spouses were committed to each other, and honesty, integrity, self-responsibility, and family values were emphasized.  My wife and I had attempted to live our lives that same way, but for several years I had felt that we were doing so in the context of a moral vacuum.  The Muslim community appeared to be different.


The different threads were being woven together into a single strand.  Arabian horses, my childhood upbringing, my foray into the Christian ministry and my seminary education, my nostalgic yearnings for a moral society, and my contact with the Muslim community were becoming intricately intertwined.  My self-questioning came to a head when I finally got around to asking myself exactly what separated me from the beliefs of my Muslim friends.  I suppose that I could have raised that question with Jamal or with Khalid, but I wasn�t ready to take that step.  I had never discussed my own religious beliefs with them, and I didn�t think that I wanted to introduce that topic of conversation into our friendship.  As such, I began to pull off the bookshelf all the books on Islam that I had acquired in my collegiate and seminary days.  However far my own beliefs were from the traditional position of the church, and however seldom I actually attended church, I still identified myself as being a Christian, and so I turned to the works of Western scholars.  That month of December, I read half a dozen or so books on Islam by Western scholars, including one biography of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  Further, I began to read two different English translations of the meaning of the Qur�an.  I never spoke to my Muslim friends about this personal quest of self-discovery.  I never mentioned what types of books I was reading, nor ever spoke about why I was reading these books.  However, occasionally I would run a very circumscribed question past one of them.  


While I never spoke to my Muslim friends about those books, my wife and I had numerous conversations about what I was reading.  By the last week of December of 1992, I was forced to admit to myself, that I could find no area of substantial disagreement between my own religious beliefs and the general tenets of Islam.  While I was ready to acknowledge that Muhammad, peace be upon him, was a prophet of (one who spoke for or under the inspiration of) God, and while I had absolutely no difficulty affirming that there was no god besides God/Allah, glorified and exalted is He, I was still hesitating to make any decision.  I could readily admit to myself that I had far more in common with Islamic beliefs as I then understood them, than I did with the traditional Christianity of the organized church.  I knew only too well that I could easily confirm from my seminary training and education most of what the Qur�an had to say about Christianity, the Bible, and Jesus, peace be upon him.  Nonetheless, I hesitated.  Further, I rationalized my hesitation by maintaining to myself that I really didn�t know the nitty-gritty details of Islam, and that my areas of agreement were confined to general concepts.  As such, I continued to read, and then to re-read.


One�s sense of identity, of who one is, is a powerful affirmation of one�s own position in the cosmos.  In my professional practice, I had occasionally been called upon to treat certain addictive disorders, ranging from smoking, to alcoholism, to drug abuse.  As a clinician, I knew that the basic physical addiction had to be overcome to create the initial abstinence.  That was the easy part of treatment.  As Mark Twain once said:  �Quitting smoking is easy; I�ve done it hundreds of times�.  However, I also knew that the key to maintaining that abstinence over an extended time period was overcoming the client�s psychological addiction, which was heavily grounded in the client�s basic sense of identity, i.e. the client identified to himself that he was �a smoker�, or that he was �a drinker�, etc.  The addictive behavior had become part and parcel of the client�s basic sense of identity, of the client�s basic sense of self.  Changing this sense of identity was crucial to the maintenance of the psychotherapeutic �cure�.  This was the difficult part of treatment.  Changing one�s basic sense of identity is a most difficult task.  One�s psyche tends to cling to the old and familiar, which seem more psychologically comfortable and secure than the new and unfamiliar. 


On a professional basis, I had the above knowledge, and used it on a daily basis.  However, ironically enough, I was not yet ready to apply it to myself, and to the issue of my own hesitation surrounding my religious identity.  For 43 years, my religious identity had been neatly labeled as �Christian�, however many qualifications I might have added to that term over the years.  Giving up that label of personal identity was no easy task.  It was part and parcel of how I defined my very being.  Given the benefit of hindsight, it is clear that my hesitation served the purpose of insuring that I could keep my familiar religious identity of being a Christian, although a Christian who believed like a Muslim believed.


It was now the very end of December, and my wife and I were filling out our application forms for U.S. passports, so that a proposed Middle Eastern journey could become a reality.  One of the questions had to do with religious affiliation.  I didn�t even think about it, and automatically fell back on the old and familiar, as I penned in �Christian�.  It was easy, it was familiar, and it was comfortable.


However, that comfort was momentarily disrupted when my wife asked me how I had answered the question on religious identity on the application form.  I immediately replied, �Christian�, and chuckled audibly.  Now, one of Freud�s contributions to the understanding of the human psyche was his realization that laughter is often a release of psychological tension.  However wrong Freud may have been in many aspects of his theory of psychosexual development, his insights into laughter were quite on target.  I had laughed!  What was this psychological tension that I had need to release through the medium of laughter?


I then hurriedly went on to offer my wife a brief affirmation that I was a Christian, not a Muslim.  In response to which, she politely informed me that she was merely asking whether I had written �Christian�, or �Protestant�, or �Methodist�.  On a professional basis, I knew that a person does not defend himself against an accusation that hasn�t been made.  (If, in the course of a session of psychotherapy, my client blurted out, �I�m not angry about that�, and I hadn�t even broached the topic of anger, it was clear that my client was feeling the need to defend himself against a charge that his own unconscious was making.  In short, he really was angry, but he wasn�t ready to admit it or to deal with it.)  If my wife hadn�t made the accusation, i.e. �you are a Muslim�, then the accusation had to have come from my own unconscious, as I was the only other person present.  I was aware of this, but still I hesitated.  The religious label that had been stuck to my sense of identity for 43 years was not going to come off easily.        


About a month had gone by since my wife�s question to me.  It was now late in January of 1993.  I had set aside all the books on Islam by the Western scholars, as I had read them all thoroughly.  The two English translations of the meaning of the Qur�an were back on the bookshelf, and I was busy reading yet a third English translation of the meaning of the Qur�an.  Maybe in this translation I would find some sudden justification for�


I was taking my lunch hour from my private practice at a local Arab restaurant that I had started to frequent.  I entered as usual, seated myself at a small table, and opened my third English translation of the meaning of the Qur�an to where I had left off in my reading.  I figured I might as well get some reading done over my lunch hour.  Moments later, I became aware that Mahmoud was at my shoulder, and waiting to take my order.  He glanced at what I was reading, but said nothing about it.  My order taken, I returned to the solitude of my reading.


A few minutes later, Mahmoud�s wife, Iman, an American Muslim, who wore the Hijab (scarf) and modest dress that I had come to associate with female Muslims, brought me my order.  She commented that I was reading the Qur�an, and politely asked if I were a Muslim.  The word was out of my mouth before it could be modified by any social etiquette or politeness:  �No!�  That single word was said forcefully, and with more than a hint of irritability.  With that, Iman politely retired from my table.


What was happening to me?  I had behaved rudely and somewhat aggressively.  What had this woman done to deserve such behavior from me?  This wasn�t like me.  Given my childhood upbringing, I still used �sir� and �ma�am� when addressing clerks and cashiers who were waiting on me in stores.  I could pretend to ignore my own laughter as a release of tension, but I couldn�t begin to ignore this sort of unconscionable behavior from myself.  My reading was set aside, and I mentally stewed over this turn of events throughout my meal.  The more I stewed, the guiltier I felt about my behavior.  I knew that when Iman brought me my check at the end of the meal, I was going to need to make some amends.  If for no other reason, simple politeness demanded it.  Furthermore, I was really quite disturbed about how resistant I had been to her innocuous question.  What was going on in me that I responded with that much force to such a simple and straightforward question?  Why did that one, simple question lead to such atypical behavior on my part?


Later, when Iman came with my check, I attempted a round-about apology by saying:  �I�m afraid I was a little abrupt in answering your question before.  If you were asking me whether I believe that there is only one God, then my answer is yes.  If you were asking me whether I believe that Muhammad was one of the prophets of that one God, then my answer is yes.�  She very nicely and very supportively said:  �That�s okay; it takes some people a little longer than others.�


Perhaps, the readers of this will be kind enough to note the psychological games I was playing with myself without chuckling too hard at my mental gymnastics and behavior.  I well knew that in my own way, using my own words, I had just said the Shahadah, the Islamic testimonial of faith, i.e. �I testify that there is no god but Allah, and I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah�.  However, having said that, and having recognized what I said, I could still cling to my old and familiar label of religious identity.  After all, I hadn�t said I was a Muslim.  I was simply a Christian, albeit an atypical Christian, who was willing to say that there was one God, not a triune godhead, and who was willing to say that Muhammad was one of the prophets inspired by that one God.  If a Muslim wanted to accept me as being a Muslim that was his or her business, and his or her label of religious identity.  However, it was not mine.  I thought I had found my way out of my crisis of religious identity.  I was a Christian, who would carefully explain that I agreed with, and was willing to testify to, the Islamic testimonial of faith.  Having made my tortured explanation, and having parsed the English language to within an inch of its life, others could hang whatever label on me they wished.  It was their label, and not mine.         & amp; nbsp;      


It was now March of 1993, and my wife and I were enjoying a five-week vacation in the Middle East.  It was also the Islamic month of Ramadan, when Muslims fast from day break until sunset.  Because we were so often staying with or being escorted around by family members of our Muslim friends back in the States, my wife and I had decided that we also would fast, if for no other reason than common courtesy.  During this time, I had also started to perform the five daily prayers of Islam with my newfound, Middle Eastern, Muslim friends.  After all, there was nothing in those prayers with which I could disagree. 


I was a Christian, or so I said.  After all, I had been born into a Christian family, had been given a Christian upbringing, had attended church and Sunday school every Sunday as a child, had graduated from a prestigious seminary, and was an ordained minister in a large Protestant denomination.  However, I was also a Christian:  who didn�t believe in a triune godhead or in the divinity of Jesus, peace be upon him; who knew quite well how the Bible had been corrupted; who had said the Islamic testimony of faith in my own carefully parsed words; who had fasted during Ramadan; who was saying Islamic prayers five times a day; and who was deeply impressed by the behavioral examples I had witnessed in the Muslim community, both in America and in the Middle East.  (Time and space do not permit me the luxury of documenting in detail all of the examples of personal morality and ethics I encountered in the Middle East.)  If asked if I were a Muslim, I could and did do a five-minute monologue detailing the above, and basically leaving the question unanswered.  I was playing intellectual word games, and succeeding at them quite nicely.


It was now late in our Middle Eastern trip.  An elderly friend who spoke no English and I were walking down a winding, little road, somewhere in one of the economically disadvantaged areas of greater �Amman, Jordan.  As we walked, an elderly man approached us from the opposite direction, said, �Salam �Alaykum�, i.e., �peace be upon you�, and offered to shake hands.  We were the only three people there.  I didn�t speak Arabic, and neither my friend nor the stranger spoke English.  Looking at me, the stranger asked, �Muslim?�


At that precise moment in time, I was fully and completely trapped.  There were no intellectual word games to be played, because I could only communicate in English, and they could only communicate in Arabic.  There was no translator present to bail me out of this situation, and to allow me to hide behind my carefully prepared English monologue.  I couldn�t pretend I didn�t understand the question, because it was all too obvious that I had.  My choices were suddenly, unpredictably, and inexplicably reduced to just two:  I could say �N�am�, i.e., �yes�; or I could say �La�, i.e., �no�.  The choice was mine, and I had no other.  I had to choose, and I had to choose now; it was just that simple.  Praise be to Allah, I answered, �N�am�.


With saying that one word, all the intellectual word games were now behind me.  With the intellectual word games behind me, the psychological games regarding my religious identity were also behind me.  I wasn�t some strange, atypical Christian.  I was a Muslim.  Praise be to Allah, my wife of 33 years also became a Muslim about that same time.


Not too many months after our return to America from the Middle East, a neighbor invited us over to his house, saying that he wanted to talk with us about our conversion to Islam.  He was a retired Methodist minister, with whom I had had several conversations in the past.  Although we had occasionally talked superficially about such issues as the artificial construction of the Bible from various, earlier, independent sources, we had never had any in-depth conversation about religion.  I knew only that he appeared to have acquired a solid seminary education, and that he sang in the local church choir every Sunday.


My initial reaction was, �Oh, oh, here it comes�.  Nonetheless, it is a Muslim�s duty to be a good neighbor, and it is a Muslim�s duty to be willing to discuss Islam with others.  As such, I accepted the invitation for the following evening, and spent most of the waking part of the next 24 hours contemplating how best to approach this gentleman in his requested topic of conversation.  The appointed time came, and we drove over to our neighbor�s.  After a few moments of small talk, he finally asked why I had decided to become a Muslim.  I had waited for this question, and had my answer carefully prepared.  �As you know with your seminary education, there were a lot of non-religious considerations which led up to and shaped the decisions of the Council of Nicaea.�  He immediately cut me off with a simple statement:  �You finally couldn�t stomach the polytheism anymore, could you?�  He knew exactly why I was a Muslim, and he didn�t disagree with my decision!  For himself, at his age and at his place in life, he was electing to be �an atypical Christian�.  Allah willing, he has by now completed his journey from cross to crescent.               


There are sacrifices to be made in being a Muslim in America.  For that matter, there are sacrifices to be made in being a Muslim anywhere.  However, those sacrifices may be more acutely felt in America, especially among American converts. Some of those sacrifices are very predictable, and include altered dress and abstinence from alcohol, pork, and the taking of interest on one�s money.  Some of those sacrifices are less predictable.  For example, one Christian family, with whom we were close friends, informed us that they could no longer associate with us, as they could not associate with anyone �who does not take Jesus Christ as his personal savior�.  In addition, quite a few of my professional colleagues altered their manner of relating to me.  Whether it was coincidence or not, my professional referral base dwindled, and there was almost a 30% drop in income as a result.  Some of these less predictable sacrifices were hard to accept, although the sacrifices were a small price to pay for what was received in return.


For those contemplating the acceptance of Islam and the surrendering of oneself to Allah�glorified and exalted is He, there may well be sacrifices along the way.  Many of these sacrifices are easily predicted, while others may be rather surprising and unexpected.  There is no denying the existence of these sacrifices, and I don�t intend to sugar coat that pill for you.  Nonetheless, don�t be overly troubled by these sacrifices.  In the final analysis, these sacrifices are less important than you presently think.  Allah willing, you will find these sacrifices a very cheap coin to pay for the �goods� you are purchasing.

 
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Beste Muslima5,
Uit elk van de drie hierboven beschreven verhalen (zijn het misschien ingedikte versies van een uitgebreider verhaal?) kan ik niet achterhalen of de hoofdpersonen, v��r hun bekering, wel de strekking kenden van Jezus'Woord zoals dat spreekt uit de Evangelie�n. Jammer!

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tja..ik heb ook het verhaal van pp gelzen en tja..ik vraag me ook ernistig af met mijn bescheiden kennis hoeveel kennis deze presoon heeft over de koran...tja..maar ja. praten tegen een persoon die van religie wil veranderen is net alsof je water gooit in een kapotte emmer. het blijft er niet in. wegens het gebrek aan kennis en kennis is het lijm van zo'n emmer.en door gebrek aan kennis kraakt een emmer.dus ja..dwaling en leiding komt alleen van Allah swt.ik zal me daar niet mee bemoeien, moet ie zelf weten.maar heb je mn andere bekeringsverhalen niet gelezen?sommige van hen weten heel goed wat Jezus'Woord is. en van deze kan ik idd niet zeggen of ze het weten of niet omdat t een kort verhaal is. denk niet dat deze personen t nodig achtten om hun hele dagboek op n site neer te krabbelen. t gaat om de lijn denk ik voor ze. ken zelf een aantal bekeerlingen die het heel goed weten hoor. maar pas als je door vraagt. anyway, iedereen moet zelf weten. is niet mijn zaak. ik plaats alleen mooie verhalen.

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Uit elk van de drie hierboven beschreven verhalen (zijn het misschien ingedikte versies van een uitgebreider verhaal?) kan ik niet achterhalen of de hoofdpersonen, v��r hun bekering, wel de strekking kenden van Jezus'Woord zoals dat spreekt uit de Evangelie�n. Jammer!
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Like a Newborn Child
A Catholic Woman Discovers Islam

By Maryam Eustathiou

Mar. 07, 2006

Being brought up in a Catholic Christian household I always felt the importance of being in a religion, and respecting the will of God. However even from an early age I sensed that the religion I was brought up in was not quite what I expected. My earliest memories bring me to a typical Sunday scene sitting in church and looking around me, not digesting what the priest was saying, and staring at a hall full of statues and paintings of various �religious� scenes and persons.

I always remember asking myself: can this be it? Is this the truth? Can this massive symbol of a cross that everyone kneels and bows to, be the true meaning of God? And can this priest dressed in all his luxurious garments of silk and gold be the essence of piety and humbleness and subservience to the Most Divine?

Somehow I felt inside me, that something wasn�t quite right. The mere fact that Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) was given a godly status in the Christian religion instead of being accepted as one of Allah�s Prophets made my stomach twist and turn. It was something which I just could not accept, and this was the first sign that made me understand that I was no longer Christian, but something else.

After just turning 18 I decided I would go to University and get a degree, but at the same time, find the chance to get out of the Christian household I was in, and find the peace and freedom to do some soul searching! Indeed Allah blessed me with this chance, since it proved to be the best decision I made in my life.

Attending university I came across many cultures and backgrounds, and many people who would come in and out of my life who helped me in my path. My first encounter with Islam was through different Muslims from Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey, Italy, United Kingdom and many more countries. All these friends in fact came into my life at the most appropriate time, a time when I needed information about religion.

But I do remember an occasion in 2001 (which I think was my first REAL introduction to Islam) when I visited a friend and seeing for the first time the Qur'an standing directly opposite me on a bookshelf. Just by looking at it, I got this urge and curiosity to look and read what was inside.

Naturally it was written in its original language, in Arabic, and I couldn't understand a thing, but my friend began to calmly explain what I was seeing! Was it a coincidence that most people I came across were Muslims? I think NOT.

My reversion to Islam happened quite gradually after that, approximately 1 year later. I specifically remember saying to myself one day just before the beginning of Ramadan in 2002 �Shall I go to church today? Why should I go? Who am I kidding? I don�t believe that Jesus (peace and blessings on him) is the son of God, so why should I go to church. I am not going to church to please my parents, nor am I going there to please other Christians any more. I want a religion that pleases God and is for God and only God. I want to thank God more than once a week or twice a week for all the blessings I have. I want to thank Him every day, 5 times or more if I can, not every Sunday.� This on its own made me think, it made me think that I was happy to believe in God as one complete whole, not divided into three parts.

Reading the Qur'an and the life of the Prophet (peace be upon him) I came to realize that I did believe he was a messenger of God, and in fact the last of God�s messengers. I also began to pray at this time, and started my first fast ever that year in Ramadan. After obtaining a lot of information about Islam and asking all the questions I needed to know their answers; I finally came into the world like a new-born child. What can only be described as �LIGHT� was suddenly shone upon me. I decided when Ramadan had finished and we had celebrated `Eid that there was no way I was going to be anything else BUT Muslim, and that was my deciding moment.

After so many years of being blind, and walking in the dark, one day, Allah the Most Gracious Most Merciful shone the torch in my eyes, and I woke up from the trance, from the illness, from the blindness I was trapped in for so long.

My reversion to Islam has let me be more peaceful as an individual, I feel I make the correct Insha' Allah decisions most of the time and above all I feel that I try to live my life in light of Allah's wishes. What made me do it?

The simple and so logical words. The clearest and most perfect words that have ever reached human ears. �La ilaha il Allah, Muhammed Rasoull Allah�. This sentence was the defining moment in my life which made me become a Muslim, and to this day, I have never looked back. Allah is One and Whole and Perfect and Muhammad was His last Prophet.

The Qur'an for me is like a manual, just like a car needs a manual to function properly, the Holy Quran is the guide -book to life, and something which covers All areas and is something which we cannot live without.

I am proud to be Cypriot and Muslim Alhamdullah. This is not because I am proud of my ethnicity, but it is because Allah�s power crosses barriers and reaches to all corners of the globe. Living in the free part of Cyprus unfortunately means access to Muslims, Islamic books and centers is sparse. Does this discourage me? Not at all! In fact I love Islam more every day because of it!

My parents found out about my reversion to Islam during Ramadan 2005, and this was because I felt it was better to tell them my news while I was near them and not away studying at university.

I felt that it was important to be around them when I delivered this news, so that they knew I hadn't run away from them and deserted them. In fact I wanted them to see me and how I had become because of Islam, and to slowly In sha' Allah enter the faith themselves by trying to set a good example.

My father reacted very well to the news, and appreciates my views as an individual and Al-hamdu lillah has shown willingness to read some books about Islam; however my mother's reaction was not as calm. I feel that this is more because she is afraid for me, due to the fact that she knows little about Islam, but Al-hamdu lillah we have also began to talk about the faith and she also is becoming more accepting.

After I graduated from University with my undergraduate degree and Masters Degree I am now working as a trainee in a large company and feel that Allah has allowed me to make great progress as an individual. If I could give any advice to anyone it would be; �listen to your heart, listen to the signs, listen to the words, LISTEN, the truth is there, embrace it, this life is not forever.�

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USA/Christian - "I got tired of the unintelligible doctrines and the .. contradictions"

My conversion to Islam began in my eighth grade year. There was a Muslim student by the name of Raphael who first told me a little about Islam. At the time he was not so knowledgeable about Islam, but he put the initial interest in my mind which never went away.

In the ninth grade there was another student by the name of Leonard who claimed at one time or another that he was a Muslim but he was more or less a 5 percenter. The one thing he did do was to give me a pamphlet on true Islam which increased my interest in Islam. I didn't hear much more about Islam until my tenth grade year.

That year me and Leonard would sit in the back of geometry class and blame all of the world's problems on white people while we would exalt the status of black people above all other races. At that time in my life I thought that Islam was the religion for black people, but unfortunately the Islam I was talking about was nothing more than black nationalism with a slight touch of true Islam. It was very similar to The Nation of Islam. As time went on I began to see that my black nationalist views and my perception of what Islam was about became tired. It was useless to hate almost all white people and to blame this on Islam. Around the same time I totally denounced Christianity as my religion. I got tired of the unintelligible doctrines and the many contradictions within the religion.

The next year of high school I was conversing with a few students about religion and they told me to buy a Qu'ran so I did. I went to the nearest bookstore and bought a very poor translation of the Qu'ran but it was the first real look into the truth about Islam. Within a few weeks I took on the beliefs of a Muslim even though I hadn't taken shahadah yet. Most of what I was doing concerning Islam was wrong because I never had a chance to go to a masjid because my mother totally forbade it. As time went on I finally got an Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation of the Qu'ran which opened my eyes to so much about Islam.

In the meantime my mother was doing everything in her power to prevent me from embracing Islam. She took me to see her preacher three times which was of no avail. As time passed I began to learn more and more about Islam from various books I could get my hands on. I finally learned how to make salat correctly from one of these books. My mother was still trying her best to make me become a Christian again.

My mother and I would frequently argue about religion until one day my mother had enough and told my dad that I was going to have to live with him. He had absolutely no problem with this. The day after I graduated from high school I moved in with my dad. I can see now that my parent's divorce was actually a blessing in disguise. Their divorce provided me with a place to live in which I could practice Islam freely. My dad had no problem with my interest in Islam.

One day I called the Islamic Learning Center in Fayetteville and a brother by the name of Mustafa told me to come down for the Taleem (lesson) to learn more about Islam. Everybody was extremely hospitable and Mustafa even gave me a ride home. After three weeks of going to Jumuah (Friday congregational prayers) and Taleem I finally took my Shahadah on July 2,1995. Ever since then I have been an active member of the Islamic community. I am also very pleased to say that Raphael (the person who gave me my initial in interest in Islam) got back to Islam seriously and took shahadah a few months before I did. We still keep in touch even though he is in England.

October 28, 1996

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Source: http://mandla.co.za/al-qalam/sept97/bishop.htm

(It was December 23, 1986, two days away from Christmas, when Arch Bishop Martin John Mwaipopo, announced to his congregation that he was leaving Christianity for Islam. The congregation was paralysed with shock on hearing the news, so much so, that his administrator got up from his seat, closed the door and windows, and declared to the church members that the Bishop�s mind had become unhinged, that is, he had gone mad. How could he not think and say so, when only a few minutes earlier, the man had taken out his music instruments and sang so movingly for the church members? Little did they know that inside the Bishop�s heart lay a decision that would blow their minds, and that the entertainment was only a farewell party. But the congregant�s reaction was equally shocking! They called the police to take the "mad" man away. He was kept in the cells until midnight when Sheikh Ahmed Sheik, the man who initiated him into Islam came to bail him out. That incident was only a mild beginning of shocks in store for him. Al Qalam reporter, Simphiwe Sesanti, spoke to the Tanzanian born former Lutheran Arch Bishop Martin John Mwaipopo, who on embracing Islam came to be known as Al Hajj Abu Bakr John Mwaipopo)


Credit must go to the Zimbabwean brother, Sufyan Sabelo, for provoking this writer�s curiosity, after listening to Mwaipopo�s talk at the Wyebank Islamic Centre, Durban. Sufyan is not sensationalist, but that night he must have heard something - he just could not stop talking about the man! Who would not be hooked after hearing that an Arch Bishop, who had not only obtained a BA and Masters degree, but a doctorate as well, in Divinity, had later turned to Islam? And since foreign qualifications matter so much to you, a man who had obtained a diploma in Church Administration in England and the latter degrees in Berlin, Germany! A man, who, before becoming a Muslim, had been the World Council of Churches� General Secretary for Eastern Africa - covering Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Burundi, and parts of Ethiopia and Somalia. In the Council of Churches, he rubbed shoulders with the present chairman of the South African Human Rights Commission . Barney Pityana and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission �s chairman, Bishop Desmond Tutu.


It is a story of a man who was born 61 years ago, on February 22 in Bukabo, an area that shares its borders with Uganda. Two years, after his birth, his family had him baptised, and five years later, watched him with pride being an alter boy . Seeing him assisting the church minister, preparing the "body and blood" of Christ , filled the Mwaipopos with pride, and filled Mwaipopo Senior with ideas for his son�s future. 

"When I was in a boarding school, later , my father wrote to me, stating he wanted me to become a priest. In each and every letter he wrote this" , recalls Abu Bakr. But he had his own ideas about his life, which was joining the police force. But at the age of 25, Mwaipopo gave in to his father�s will. Unlike in
Europe where children can do as they will after age 21 , in Africa , children are taught to honour their parent�s will above their own. 

"My , son , before I close my eyes (die), I would be glad if you could become a priest", that�s how father told son, and that�s how the son was moved, a move that saw him going to England in 1964, to do a diploma in Church Administration, and a year later to Germany to do a B.A degree. On returning , a year later, he was made acting Bishop. 

Later, he went back to do Masters. " All this time, I was just doing things, without questioning . It was when he began to do his doctorate , that he started questioning things. "I started wondering � there is Christianity, Islam, Judaism   Buddhism each different religions claiming to the true religion. What is the truth? I wanted the truth" , says Mwaipopo. So began his search , until he reduced it to the "major" four religions. He got himself a copy of the Qur�an, and guess what?

" When I opened the Qur�an , the first verses I came across were, � Say : He is Allah , The One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begeteteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him? (Surah Ikhlas)� ", he recalls. That was when the seeds of Islam, unknown to him, were first sown. It was then that he discovered that the Qur�an was the only scripture book that had been untampered with, by human beings since its revelation . "And in concluding my doctoral thesis I said so. I didn�t care whether they give me my doctorate or not - that was the truth, and I was looking for the truth."


While in that state of mind he called his "beloved" Professor Van Burger. 

"I closed the door, looked him in the eye and asked him �of all religions in the world, which is true�, I asked. 

�Islam�, he responded. 

�Why then are you not a Muslim?�, I asked again. 

He said to me "'One, I hate Arabs, and two, do you see all this luxuries that I have? Do you think that I would give it all up for Islam?�. When I thought about his answer, I thought about my own situation, too", recalls Mwaipopo. His mission, his cars - all these appeared in his imagination. No, he could not embrace Islam, and for one good year, he put it off his mind. But then dreams haunted him, the verses of the Quran kept on appearing, people clad in white kept on coming, "especially on Fridays", until he could take it no more. 

So, on December 22, he officially embraced Islam. These dreams that guided him - were they not due to the "superstitious" nature of the Africans? "No, I don�t believe that all dreams are bad. There are those that guide you in the right direction and those which don�t, and these ones, in particular, guided me in the right direction, to Islam", he tells us.


Consequently, the church stripped him of his house and his car. His wife could not take it, she packed her clothes, took her children and left, despite Mwaipopo�s assurances that she was not obliged to become a Muslim. When he went to his parents, they, too, had heard the story. "My father told me to denounce Islam and my mother said she did not "want to hear any nonsense from me", remember Mwaipopo. He was on his own! Asked how he now feels towards his parents, he says that he has forgiven them, in fact found time to reconcile with his father before he departed to the world yonder. 

"They were just old people who did not know. They could not even read the Bible�all they knew was what they had heard the priest reading", he states. After asking to stay for one night, the following day, he began his journey to where his family had originally come from, Kyela, near the borders between
Tanzania and Malawi. His parents had settled in Kilosa, Morogoro. During his journey, he was stranded in Busale, by one family that was selling home brewed beer. It was there that he met his future wife, a Catholic Nun, by the name of Sister Gertrude Kibweya, now known as Sister Zainab. It was with her that he travelled to Kyela, where the old man, who had given him shelter the previous night had told him that that�s where he would find other Muslims. But before that, in the morning of that day he had made the call to prayer (azaan), something which made the villagers come out, asking his host why he was keeping a "mad" man. "It was the Nun who explained that I was not mad but a Muslim", he says. It was the same Nun who later helped Mwaipopo pay his medical fees at the Anglican Mission Hospital, when he had become terribly sick, thanks to the conversation he had had with her.


The story goes that he had asked her why she was wearing a rosary, to which she responded that it was because Christ was hanged on it. "But, say, someone had killed your father with a gun, would you go around carrying a gun on your chest?" Mmmhhh. That set the Nun thinking, her mind "challenged", and when the former Bishop proposed marriage to the Nun later, the answer was "yes". Secretly, they married, and four weeks later, she wrote a letter to her authorities, informing them of her leave. When the old man who had given him shelter, (the Nun�s uncle) heard about the marriage, when they arrived at his house, they were advised to leave the house, because "the old man was loading his gun", and the Nun�s father was enraged, "wild like a lion".


From the Bishop�s mansion, Mwaipopo went to live in a self built mud house. From earning a living as the World Council of Churches� General Secretary for Eastern Africa, he began earning a living as a wood cutter and tilling some people�s lands. When not doing that he was preaching Islam publicly. This led to a series of short term imprisonments for preaching blasphemy against Christianity. 

While on hajj in 1988, tragedy struck. His house was bombed, and consequently, his infant triplets were killed. "A bishop, whose mother and my own mother were children of the same father, was involved in the plot�, recalls Mwaipopo. He says instead of demoralising him, it did the opposite, as the numbers of people embracing Islam, increased, this including his father in law.

In 1992, he was arrested for 10 months, along with 70 followers, charged with treason. This was after some pork shops, against which he had spoken, were bombed. He did speak against them, he admits, saying that constitutionally, since 1913, there was a law against bars, clubs and pork shops in
Dar es Salaam, Tanga, Mafia, Lindi and Kigoma. Fortunately for him, he was acquitted, and immediately thereafter, he fled to Zambia, exile, after he was advised that there was a plot to kill him.


He says that that very day he was released, police came to re-arrest him. And guess what? "The women said no ways! They said that they would resist my arrest physically against the police. It was also the women who helped me cross the borders unnoticed. They clothed me in the women�s fashion!", according to Mwaipopo. And that is one of the reasons that make him admire women. 

"Women must be given a high place, they must be given good education in Islam. Otherwise how would she understand why a man marries more than one wife�It was my wife, Zainab, who proposed that I should marry my second wife, Shela, (her friend), when she had to go for Islamic studies abroad", it�s the bishop who says so. Yah?


To the Muslims, Al Hajj Abu Bakr Mwaipopo�s message is, "There is war against Islam�Flood the world with literature. Right now, Muslims are made to feel ashamed to be regarded as fundamentalists. Muslims must stop their individualistic tendencies, they must be collective. You have do defend your neighbour if you want to be safe", he states, also urging Muslims to be courageous, citing the Islamic Propagation Centre International�s Ahmed Deedat. "That man is not learned, but look at the way he has propagated Islam".

bron: www.thetruereligion.org

 

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