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QUESTION:
Why are there so many references in the Qur�an and in the Hadith of hate and destruction specifically toward Jews and Christians? Isn�t this contrary to the basic premise of love and forgiveness?

ANSWER:

Salam, Fred.

Thank you for your question.

It seems as if there is a misunderstanding here about the message of the Qur�an. Please note that the Hadiths are no more than just elaborations of the Qur�anic message done by the Prophet for practical purposes.

If you read the Qur�an with a free mind, you can see that it does NOT criticize all Jews and Christians. It is critical only of some among them. And for that matter, the Qur�an does not spare the declared followers of Muhammad, too, when they deviate from truth and justice. Indeed, a considerable number of verses in the Qur�an are directed against the hypocrites among the �followers� of Muhammad himself (peace be on him). This was true of the followers of all prophets, including Moses and Jesus.

If we read the Books of the Old Testament, we find the prophets (and through them God) making very scathing attacks on the people who defied or ignored the teachings of the earlier prophets. For example, we find these verses rebuking the transgressions of the Children of Israel in the Book of Jeremiah 3:8�10:

�And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery, I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. And yet for all this her treacherous sisterJudah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the Lord.�

And again, Jeremiah 5:7-8:

�How shall I pardon thee for this? Thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots� houses. They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbor�s wife.�

And now listen to Jesus rebuking the Israelites of his day in Matthew 23:25-33:

�Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men�s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous and say: �If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.� Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?�

Can any sensible reader accuse God or His prophet here of hating Jews and Christians in the above verses? If not, how then can we point a finger at God, claiming He hates Jews and Christians in the Qur�an when He is rebuking the transgressors among the Children of Israel?

The approach of the Qur�an is clear: God admonishes the People of the Book, those people who were given scriptures, to return to their Books. We find that on many occasions, the doctors of the old religions have distorted the scripture for their own selfish purposes. So God admonishes them and warns them of the impending punishments awaiting them. We read in Jeremiah 8:8: �How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.�

Here the Prophet Jeremiah scolds those of the Children of Israel who made the Book of God false even by the use of a pen that distorts.

We see the same idea in the Qur�an too, where God scolds those people of the Book who wrote their own verses in the Book of God and called them God�s. Can we say that God is being deliberately anti-Jewish here?

Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, a renowned American Muslim scholar, writes on this topic saying:

�Taking a few passages from the Qur�an out of proper historical and textual context will not give a proper understanding of the religious scripture. This is not only true of the Qur�an but also of the Bible. Many passages from the Bible also criticize the Jews. Read the Hebrew Bible, particularly Micah 3:1-12 and Hosea 8:1-14, in which these prophets condemned the Jews who �abhor justice and pervert all equity� and who �build Zion with blood and Jerusalem with wrong.�

These prophets cursed Israel as a �useless vessel among nations� and called for the curse of God to �send a fire upon his [ Judah�s] cities� (Hosea 8:14) , and to make Jerusalem into �ruinous heaps� ( Isaiah 37:26 ). Prophet Ezekiel called Israel �a rebellious nation.� (Ezekiel 2:3).

Similarly, in the Book of Deuteronomy Moses warns the Jews that God �will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me� (28:20).

Now, read the following verses of the Qur�an, and judge for yourself whether God is attacking Judaism, when He says in the Qur�an what means:

*{O Children of Israel! Call to mind the [special] favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I shall fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:40)

And then:

*{O Children of Israel! Call to mind the [special] favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others [for My message].}* (Al-Baqarah 2:47)

Then also:

*{And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel [to this effect]: Worship none but Allah; treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and give zakah. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide [even now].}* (Al-Baqarah 2:83)

Also read:

*{We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them messengers, every time, there came to them a messenger with what they themselves desired not�some [of these] they called impostors, and some they [go so far as to] slay.}* (Al-Ma�idah 5:70)

You can even read much more if you go to Surah 5, verse 78; Surah 7, verse 137; Surah 10, verse 93; and Surah 17, verse 2.
It is evident from the above verses how God views the Children of Israel in general. This attitude of the Qur�an is in keeping with its stand towards all humans, as it shows when it says what means:

*{O people, We have created you from a male and a female and made you into races and tribes so that you may know each other. Indeed the noblest of you in the sight of God are those who are the most pious among you. And Allah knows every thing and is aware of every thing.}* (Al-Hujurat 49:13)

The above passages make it clear that Muslims cannot use them to justify any acts of hatred or injustice against Jews or Christians because the contexts in which these verses were revealed rule out that possibility. Also because they should be well aware that the same judgment of God awaits Muslims too, if they also transgress. God has no chosen people, except those who fulfill His justice and obey Him with piety and are merciful to all His creation.

The Qur�an was not just revealed for Muslims, but for all people, including Jews and Christians. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was in the line of previous prophets of God, including Prophets Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. And, in fact, the Qur�an is the culmination of all the previous scriptures revealed by God.

The Qur�an does not condemn the Semitic race; in fact it accords Jews a special status, given their shared prophetic traditions with Islam.
The Qur�an criticizes only those Jews and Christians who turned away from God�s authentic message and admonishes those who scorned and ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and the message of the Qur�an. And what is more, the Qur�an specifically notes that such criticism is not directed against all Jews. You often see the expression *{among them there are some...}* placed before such criticisms, so that the good are not condemned along with the bad.

From the Qur�anic point of view, the Jews are descendants of Prophet Abraham, through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob. They were chosen by God for a mission (Qur�an 44:32), and God raised among them many prophets and bestowed upon them what He had not bestowed upon many others (Qur�an 5:20). He exalted them over other nations of the earth (Qur�an 2:47, 122) and granted them many favors.

The Qur�an categorically says that good people are assured of their reward with God (Surah 3, verses 113-115). It further says in Surah 7, verses 159 and 168�170, that among the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. Among them, there are some who are righteous and some who are the opposite. The verses also state that the Creator has tried them with both prosperity and adversity in order that they might turn [to Him]. As to those who hold fast by the Book and establish regular prayer, the verses clarify that they never shall suffer.

Thus it is clear that Muslims have no business to oppose Jewish people or Christians, as such. In fact, Muslims must give special respect to them as People of the Book. Originally, the prophets whom they consider as theirs are equally revered by Muslims.

Both Jews and Arabs are the Children of Abraham (Ibrahim � peace be on him). Jews descended from his second son Isaac (Ishaq � peace be upon him) and Arabs from the first son Ishmael (Isma`eel � peace be upon him). Thus, Jews and Arabs are brothers, though the racism that has crept into the perception of some Jews would deny this brotherhood. To Moses (Musa � peace be upon him) God Almighty revealed the divine scripture known as the Tawrah (Torah) as He revealed to Jesus (`Isa � peace be upon him), the divine scripture called the Injil (Gospel).

Completing the progressive revelation of divine guidance to man, God finally revealed the Noble Qur�an to the Final Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). All these prophets were the prophets of God and the religion they taught was basically the same religion from God, namely Islam (peaceful submission to God).

I quote Harun Yahya when he says :

�Concerning the People of the Book, God gives Muslims a command in the Qur�an; to rally to a common formula, when He says what means:           

*{O People of the Book! Let us rally to a common formula to be binding on both us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God...}* (Aal `Imran 3:64)

This is, indeed, our call to Christians and Jews: As people who believe in God and follow His revelations, let us rally to a common formula�faith. Let�s love God, Who is our Creator and Lord, and follow His commands. And let us pray God to lead us to an even straighter path.

When Muslims, Christians, and Jews rally to a common formula this way; when they understand that they are friends not enemies; when they see that the real enemy is atheism and paganism; then the world will become a very different place.

The fighting that has raged for ages, enmities, fears�and terrorist attacks�will come to an end and a new civilization based on love, respect, and peace will be established upon this common formula."

And Allah knows best.

Thank you and please do keep in touch.

Salam.

"...En als hij naar Mij toe komt lopen, dan kom Ik naar hem toe rennen.� Hadith Qudsi nr 15,sahih Bukhari.
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QUESTION:
Hello scholars. Kindly handle my question. You keep on saying that your religion respects the rights of non-Muslims. Can you prove this, by stating some important facts of how your Prophet, Muhammad, or his Companions, view the rights of non-Muslims. To let you know, I�m not to sound offensive, I just want to know more about Islam, for you must know that until there is freedom for all, then Islam will not be accepted by others.

ANSWER:
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.



Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His Sake.



First of all, we'd like to state that non-Muslims under Islamic Shari`ah do possess special rights irrespective of whether they constitute a minority or a majority. Islam makes it clear that Muslims are not allowed under any circumstances to burn holy places or books of non-Muslims or to abuse them.


When Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, established the first Islamic state in Madinah, he extended to religious minorities rights that are guaranteed to them in the Qur'an. The first Islamic State was established in light the Charter of Madinah, a real and actual social contract agreed upon by Muslims, Jews and others, stipulating that they all would be treated as equal citizens of Madinah, giving the non-Muslims right of choosing a legal system they wished their affairs be governed by, be it Islamic or Jewish law or pre-Islamic Arab tribal traditions. This confirms the principle �no compulsion in religion�, freedom of expression and religious practice was open to everyone.


Elaborating on the religious rights granted to non-Muslim minorities, we'd like to cite for you the following:

It was in 622 AC, that Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, introduced the Charter of Madinah, which in fact was the first ever written constitution in the history of mankind. It gave the people the right of protection, security, peace and justice; not only to Muslims, but also to the Jews who lived in the City of Madinah, as well as the allies of Jews who were non-Muslims. It recognized Jews as a separate political and ethnic minority, and allowed them to practice their religion quite freely. In fact, Jews were considered on an equal bases as Muslims under the Islamic State.



Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was the main enforcer of human rights. Over a period of 10 years, from where the Islamic calendar begins, he, peace and blessings be upon him, entered into many alliances, many treaties with the Muslims and the non-Muslims, securing peace and tranquility for the Muslims and non-Muslims alike.



Freedom of Religion



One right in particular is the freedom of religion. There is sometimes a misunderstood view, that if any non-Muslim lives under the rule of Islam, he/she would be curtailed in their religious freedom. There is no compulsion in Islam to accept Islam as your faith. It is a misconception to say that Islam is spread by the sword, with forced conversions. That never took place.



Secondly, if you again look at the practice of Prophet Muhammad, he provided excellent facilities for non-Muslims. For instance in his time, the monks of Mount Sinai were given protection. The monasteries were protected, the monks themselves were protected from any attack or persecution. Churches could not be pulled down to be replaced by mosques or to build houses. They were seen as a place of sanctuary and protected by the Islamic state.



The Jews were given a free hand to practice their faith. The interesting right that the Jews and the Christians were given because they were the main minority living under the Islamic state, was their right to have a holiday, the Jews on a Saturday, and the Christians on a Sunday. Interestingly enough, in many Western countries, up till now, Muslims are still struggling to have Friday as their public holiday. Only what they are given now in some Western countries is just an extra hour for lunch so that they can partake in their obligatory Friday Prayer. But under an Islamic state, Shariah stipulates that if a Jewish person or a Christian person wishes to have a holiday, to have time off on their particular religious day, they should be given that.



There also exist the rights of non-Muslim minorities. They would be protected from any external threat from any other nation. But perhaps more importantly for them, they would be protected from more internal threat, persecution and prejudice.



Confirming this is the following statement of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, in which he sheds light on the philosophy of human rights in Islam. An Arabic word for non-Muslim is Dhimmi. Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them in more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment." Here we have the highest, the most revered and most esteemed Prophet of Islam, himself being the champion for non-Muslim minorities.



Right to follow one's own religious laws



In most Western countries, whatever the law of the land is must be followed without any recognition to one's personal beliefs. However, an Islamic state is much more flexible in this. Non-Muslim minorities, in certain matters of personal law, such as marriage, divorce, inheritance would be able to implement their own religious laws and would not be subject to Shari`ah-law.



Right to consumption of alcohol and pork



Another interesting fact in Islamic history is that although Muslims are prohibited from entering into manufacturing, selling and consuming alcohol, whereas the ruling is not the same with non-Muslim. If there was a non-Muslim minority in an Islamic state who wish to do so, and do not involve Muslims, they would actually be given this right.


This points out that the concept of human rights in Islam has often been given a much negative view. I would urge all readers, Muslims or non-Muslims, to study the concept of human rights in Islam. To research that Islam is in fact not the violator of human rights but rather the champion of it."


Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: http://www.westernviews.com/issue2/humanrights.htm


Shedding more light on the treatment of non-Muslim minorities through Islamic history, we'd like also to cite the following:


"While on his deathbed, the Second Caliph `Umar ibn al-Khattab dictated a long will consisting of instructions for the next caliph. Here, is the last sentence of that historic document:


"I instruct you on behalf of the people who have been given protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet [i.e. the non-Muslim minorities within the Islamic state known as dhimmis]. Our covenant to them must be fulfilled, we must fight to protect them, and they must not be burdened beyond their capabilities".


At that time Caliph `Umar was lying in pain because of the wounds inflicted on him by a non-Muslim who had stabbed him with a dagger soaked in poison while he was leading the Fajr (Morning) Prayer. It should also be remembered that he was the head of a vast empire ranging from Egypt to Persia. From normal rulers of his time or ours, we could have expected vengeance and swift reaction. From a very forgiving head of state we could have expected an attempt to forget and forgive - and that would be considered noble. But a command to protect the minorities and take care of them?


What is even more remarkable is that for Muslim historians the entire affair was just natural. After all it was the caliph himself who had established the standards by writing the guarantees for the protection of life, property and religion in decree after decree as Muslims opened land after land during his rule. The pattern established here was followed for centuries throughout the Muslim world.


Of course, Caliph `Umar was simply following what he learnt from the Prophet Muhammad himself. That the protection of life, property and religious freedom of minorities is the religious duty of the Islamic state. That he personally would be demanding justice in the Hereafter on behalf of a dhimmi who had been wronged by a Muslim. That there is no compulsion in religion and that Muslims must be just to friends and foe alike.


The result of these teachings was a Muslim rule that set the golden standard for religious tolerance in a world that was not used to the idea. Not only that the Muslim history is so remarkably free of the inquisitions, persecutions, witch hunts, and holocausts that tarnish history of other civilizations, it protected its minorities from persecution by others as well. It protected Jews from Christians and Eastern Christians from Roman Catholics. In Muslim Spain under the Umayyads and in Baghdad under the Abbasid Caliphs, Christians and Jews enjoyed a freedom of religion that they did not allow each other or anyone else.


The path that the Western world took to provide harmony in society was to banish religion from the public square. For this achievement, it thinks that it has earned lecturing rights over the issue. So it may be good to remember that while it has indeed made huge progress in the area of tolerance during the last century (which should be appreciated), it has a long way to go before it can reach the standards established by Islam.


First, while Muslim Personal Law is not recognized in the West, the Personal Law of non-Muslim minorities has always been recognized in the Muslim world. Second, while throughout Europe and America, Muslims are not permitted to make the call to prayer (adhan) on loud speakers, church bells ring freely in the Muslim world. Third, the wide spread of anti-Islamic prejudice in the Western media is both a cause and a consequence of the underlying intolerance. Fourth, hate crimes are a fact of life in the West. As just one small indication, nearly two-dozen incidents of vandalism have taken place against Mosques in the peaceful USA during the last seven years, not to mention hundreds of attacks against individuals.

The above quotation is excerpted, with slight modifications, from: http://www.youngmuslims.ca/articles/display.asp?ID=43

"...En als hij naar Mij toe komt lopen, dan kom Ik naar hem toe rennen.� Hadith Qudsi nr 15,sahih Bukhari.
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ja ik wou reageren op je post maar de topic is gesloen,waarsch omdat het 6 pagina's bevat.anyway,de latere sourahs zijn helemaal niet agressief van aard. dnek je niet dat alles wat ik tegen je zei misschien haal uit de hele koran en niet uit alleen een deel?maar goed, ik zal het je uitleggen. echter vordat ik begin wil ik wel even vragen of jij je vragen aan mij stelt zodat jij jouw eigen hypothese bevestigd of vraag je het echt om het te weten?dus uit nieuwsgierigheid?want het heeft geen zin voor mij om vragen te beantwoorden waarvan de vrager al een bep idee heeft en wat ik zeg toch neit doordirngt. want ik krijg zo een idee nu zo langzamerhand. als het zo is, dan kan ik beter niet meer antwoorden,want dan is het verloren moeite,als je toch je mening al klaar hebt.als ik het mis heb, pls let me know.dit is meer een vraag van mij aan jou en geen statement,ok?

nou, zoals je weet moet je de koran interpetern volgens de reden waarom het neergedaald is. dus waarom,wanneer,hoe,voor wie, etc. asbab an nuzul,heet dat in het arabisch.redenen vor openbaring vertaald.en de verzen waar jij het over hebt zijn voor een bep groep van de christenen en joden in DIE tijd neer gezonden. met nadruk:een bep groep!ik zal nu twee stukken plaatsen waar je kan lezen wat ik precies bedoel. die koranverzen zijn helemaal niet voor interpreatatie gevoelig,want alles heeft een reden van openabring. wanner ze interpretatiegevoelig worden is op het moment dat je de stukken als losstaand leest en niet hun reden van openbaring erbij neemt. dat heb je ook met veel stukken in de bijbel die heel erg agrressief en denegrerend overkomen jegens bep mensen. ik heb nu zelf ook even geen tijd ze op te zoeken,dan moet ike cht effe graven in mn boekenkast. als je die stukken zonder context leest zul je toch even op je hoofdje krabben.maar misschien dat de volgende twee stukken inde volgende twee posts je duidlijk maken wak bedoel.

het komt erop neer dat de Profeet saws vaak erop aanwees dat we goed moeten zijn jegens andere mensen,vooral tegen de mensen van het Boek. de stukken die jij leest gingen over eem groep mensen van de christenen en joden die "transgressors" waren. maar de koran berispt ook mensen die de Porfeet saws volgden als zij ook "transgresors"waren. dus als zij onrechtvaardig waren.maar goed, de stukken die ik zo ga plaatsen leggen het veel beter uit.ok?en nee, deze verzen over de mensen van het Boek verschillen niet van de vorige. dus zullen deze verzen de vorige verzen niet opheffen. deze stukken hebben het over iets HEEL anders. dat van de ene vers de andere vers opheft komt echt niet vaak voor. dat zijn maar een paar gevallen. en als dat het geval was,dan had de Profeet saws dat duidelijk erbij gezegd altijd. je moet echt,als je de koran wil begrijpen de context ebij halen.dat weet jij dnek ik als christen ook,nietwaar?ik bedoel de bijbel..vertel me, hoe kun je zeggen dat de Profeet saws ons vertelde dat we anders met joden en christenen moeten omgaan, als hij saws hen verdedigde op allelei manieren,gelijke behandleing predikte, een christenvrouw huwde, een joodse vriend had.vind je dan niet dat zo een bewering die je maakt misschien niet klopt?


ok nu volgen in de volgende post de stukken,haha.Ze zijn lang,maar ik hoop dat je ze toch leest.want het id duidelijk utigelegd. bij de tweede stuk is zelfs precies wat jij ongeveer vraagt,beantwoord.
"...En als hij naar Mij toe komt lopen, dan kom Ik naar hem toe rennen.� Hadith Qudsi nr 15,sahih Bukhari.
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