In eerste instantie geplaatst door Ruud In eerste instantie geplaatst door PaGLi In eerste instantie geplaatst door Ruud [QUOTE=Khabir]Weet je waarom er geen kerk in mekka staat? omdat mensen die in hun ziel geloven, hun ziel geen onrecht aan willen doen door een twistzieke volk te volgen die de waarheid hadden gekregen van hun profeet, maar alleen aanvaarden wat ze behaagt en negeren wat ze niet behaagt. en zo doende de ware worden van hun profeet verdraaien en de verkeerde interpetatie er uit halen. Die simpelweg zeggen  "we zullen allemaal naar de hemel gaan omdat jezus de zonde heeft weggenomen uit deze wereld. dezelfde mensen hebben de zogenaamde moordenaars van hun god(zoon van god) meer lief dan degene die wel in jezus(sws) geloven en hem als profeet erkennen. Marcus 9:40 40 Want wie niet t�gen ons is, die is V��r ons. 41 En wie u een beker water zal te drinken geven in mijnen naam, omdat gij Christus toebehoort, voorwaar, ik zeg u: Hij zal niet onbeloond blijven. 42 En wie ��n van deze kleinen, die in mij geloven, ergert, dien ware het beter, dat hem een molensteen aan den hals gehangen, en hij in de zee geworpen werd. 43 En indien uwe hand u verleidt, houw ze af! Het is u beter, dat gij verminkt tot het leven ingaat, dan dat gij twee handen hebt en in de hel vaart, in het onuitbluschbare vuur, 44 waar hun worm niet sterft en hun vuur niet uitgeblust wordt. 45 En indien uw voet u verleidt, houw hem af! Het is u beter, dat gij kreupel tot het leven ingaat, dan dat gij twee voeten hebt en in de hel geworpen wordt, in het onuitbluschbare vuur, 46 waar hun worm niet sterft en hun vuur niet uitgeblust wordt. 47 En indien uw oog u verleidt, werp het van u! Het is u beter, dat gij ��noogig in het rijk Gods ingaat, dan dat gij twee ogen hebt en in het helse vuur geworpen wordt, 48 waar hun worm niet sterft en hun vuur niet uitgeblust wordt. 49 Want een ieder zal met vuur gezouten worden, en elk offer zal met zout gezouten worden. 50 Het zout is goed: maar indien het zout smakeloos wordt, waarmede zal men het weder zout maken? Hebt zout in uzelven, en houdt vrede onder elkander.  Wat jij daar in het blauw uitkraamt,vind je in dit boek in ongeveer dezelfde strekking terug.Hitler maakte met die taal de Joden zwart onder de duitsers... Jij de christenen bij je moslim broeders.Sterkte er mee... hey ruud Wil je me als je daar tijd voor hebt..uitleggen want ik begreep je niet echt...Ik wil niet achter iets staan dat niet goed is snapje..

De text in het blauw hier boven heeft een soort zelfde strekking...

Maar nu is het geen ras,maar draagd khabir een superieur geloof uit,waarbij hij gal spuugt op een ander geloof dat in zijn ogen meer waarde hecht aan 1 geloof boven het andere.

De Koran beschrijft dit soort mensen heel duidelijk en zij kunnen het boek niet goed lezen.  Want...... Hij verliest bv het respect voor geloven waarover de Koran spreekt en haald een lasterende text uit de Koran indien nodig om dit te bevestigen... zie het roode stukje.... Christenen zijn twistziek.

Bewust of onbewust zaait hij haat.......

Waneer je de Koran met de verkeerde bedoelingen leest,kan je hem niet begrijpen.

Beste Ruud en PP en alle anderen niet-moslims.

wat hebben jullie toch??

Ik wens het beste voor jullie.
ik wens vrede aan ieder schepsel.
ik zie de mens niet als mijn veijand maar satan die onze slechte dadan schoonschijnend maakt.
Ik gun een andere het zelfde als wat ik mijn zelf gun.
Dus gun ik jullie ook de "naar mijn insziens"  de  weg naar waarheid.
en ik erken de bijbel ,de torah de pasalmen. ik wil ook niemand kwetsen.
Ik kijk ook  met tranen in mijn ogen naar alle wreedheden tegen de mensen ook 'wat de joden was aan gedaan'
Ik  ben  namelijk ook  een  vluchteling  die  christen  was omdat  mijn  vader  niet met  impelimentatie van de islaam in mijn geboorte land  eenswas en ons na dat we naar nederland gevlucht waren tot de christendom bekeerd had.
maar op mijn 12e stierf mijn vader na 2 jaar in nederland te zijn.
ik heb 12 jaar in een katholieke kerk gediend en voor gelezen uit de bijbel.
maar in mijn hart heb ik nooit kunnen ontkennen dat mohammed een profeet was.
Ik was heel goed bevriend met de deken(hoge pastoor, regionaal) en heb hem over de islaam verteld. ik heb hem zover gekregen dat hij mij heeft belooft om door mij een stuk uit de koran voor te laten lezen in de kerk.

Dus begijp me niet verkeerd ik heb de mensheid lief. en wens ze wat ik mezelf ook wens. namelijk het goede in dit leven en in het hiernamaals.

moge god mijn vergeven als ik andere mensen heb gekwets.

Het grootste probleem blijft dat de mens de medemens beoordeelt op 'goed en kwaad'.

En hierin schuilt de hel voor de mens, ongeacht welk geloof men aanhangt.

Zoals je ziet gaat het percentage dat denkt dat andersgelovigen linea recta naar de hel verdwijnen inmiddels gestegen naar bijna 90%.

Hier gaat het dus al fout.

The Holy Prophet Muhammad Foretold in Ancient Scriptures

"And when God made a covenant through the Prophets: Certainly what I have given you of book and wisdom, then an apostle comes to you verifying that which is with you, you must believe in him and you must aid him. He said: Do you affirm and accept My compact in this matter? They said: We do affirm (3:80).

The claim is advanced here that all the prophets had prophesised the advent of a World Prophet who should verify the truth of all the Prophets who had appeared in the World.

Prophecies in the Old Testament

Besides the Gospel of Barnabas - which we maintain is the True Gospel which has not suffered distortations and which speaks for itself about the future advent of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - we nonetheless give quotations from other Old and New Testaments, which together with Gospel of Barnabas should remove any doubt whatsoever from the minds of readers. As we have presented enough facts from one and all known old scriptures of the world, which foretold the coming of the last and final Prophet of God Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Deut xviii: 15-18 speaks very clearly of the rising of a prophet (who shall be the like of Moses) from among the brethren of Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites or the Arabs. The passage in question reads:

DEUTE XVIII, I5-18:

15. The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken. 16. According to all that thou desirest of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of assembly, saying: let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17. And the Lord said unto me. They have well said that which they have spoken. 18. I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

In the above-quoted passages Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is evidently foretold. For God declared to all the Israelites that He would raise up a Prophet from among their brethren. Now we hesitate not to affirm that it is impossible that the phrase "brethren of Israel," could have any other meaning than that of Ishmaelites and these never had any prophet but Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It is admitted both by Jews and Christians that revelations to the Israelitish Prophet were not made in the very words as given in the Scriptures, but only their purport, which they afterwards delivered to the people in their own language. But the Holy Quran, on the contrary, revealed to Prophet Muhammad word by word as it now is a fact which makes the expression "and will put My words in his mouth" inapplicable to anyone except Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

In promising to raise up a prophet God tells Moses: "I will raise up a prophet from among their brethren." But we find Deut. 34: 10 that there arose not a prophet since, in Israel, like unto Moses. There cannot then remain a single doubt but that the promised prophet must have been from among the Ishmaelites, the brethren of the Israelites.

Another Prophecy of the Prophet Isaiah (Original Hebrew Text)

Translation

He saw two riders one of them was a rider upon an ass and the other a rider upon a camel, he hearkened diligently with much heed" (Isaiah xxi: 7)

Isaiah saw in a vision two riders; one of them was a rider upon an ass and the other a rider upon a camel. In our opinion the above passage is the faithful rendering of the original Hebrew. In English Bible, however, it is thus translated: "He saw a chariot of asses and a chariot of camels, etc. "

The Vulgate has it as follows:

"He saw a chariot of two horsemen, a rider upon an ass and a rider upon a camel, etc. "

There can be no doubt that of the two riders represented by Prophet Isaiah, as being the restorers of the true worship of the Godhead, the rider upon the ass is Jesus Christ, because he so made his entry into Jerusalem, and that by the rider of a camel is meant the prophet of Arabia, of which country the camel is characteristic of conveyance.

The Song of Solomon

Hikko Mamittadatim Vikullo Mahamadim Zehudi Vezem Raai Benute Yapus Halam.

The English Translation thereof is as follows:

"His mouth is most sweet; yea he is Muhammad (altogether lovely). This is my beloved and this is my friend. O daughter of Jerusalem." (Song of Solomon, 5:16)

King Solomon has named the prophet that was to come "Mohammadim". In Hebrew, the suffix 'im' is used to express respect as in the term 'Eloha', which means 'God', is mentioned in the Bible as 'Elohim'. It is thus clear that Solomon has quite distinctly mentioned the name of the Prophet that was to come as Muhammad. But an error is made, either intentionally or unintentionally, by the translation of the proper name as 'Altogether Lovely'. Even the translation 'altogether lovely' is a befitting attribute of the Holy Prophet (SAW), as mentioned in the words of the Hadith.

New Testament

Translation

John 14:15: "If ye love me ye will keep my commandments. v. 16. And I will pray the Father and He shall give you another Parakletos (Comforter) that he may be with you forever. v. 25. These things have I spoken unto you while yet abiding with you. v. 26 But the Comforter (Parakletos) which is the spirit of truth whom the Father will send in my name he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I said unto you."

John 16:7: Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away the Comforter (Parakletos) will not come unto you, but if I go, I will send him unto you. v. 8. And he, when he is come, will convict the world in respect of sin and or righteousness and judgement. v. 12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. v. 13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth is come, he shall guide you into all the truth for he shall not speak from himself, but what things so ever he shall hear these shall he speak and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

It is a well-known fact that a person was expected by a great number of Christians, in accordance with the prophecy from a very early period, which shows that the construction put on the passage in the Acts by Roman Church and by Protestants was not general.

Prophecies in Hindu Scriptures

Likewise in Hindu scriptures, there are a good many prophecies about the Holy Prophet Muhammad. A few of these are in the Puranas. The one in the Bhavishya Purana is the clearest of all. The fifth word from left to right is the name of our Holy Prophet. It gives even the name of the country of the Prophet "Marusthalnivasinan denizen of the desert (Arabia)". For this reason the Arya Samaj has tried to cast doubt on the authenticity of this Purana. Their argument is that it contains a reference to the Prophet. According to Sanatanist Pandits and the vast bulk of Hindus, nevertheless, it is considered very authentic. The prophecy runs as follows:

Original Sanskrit Text

Below we give the English translation of the prophetic words:

"A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj), after giving this 'Maha Dev (of angelic disposition) Arab' a bath in the 'Panchgavya and the Ganges water (i.e. purging him of all sins), offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said. 'I make obeisance to thee." 0 Ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents.! 0 Ye! The image of the Most Pious God, the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet."

In this eulogy of the Holy Prophet, Maharishi Vyasa has enumerated the following points:

1. The name of the Prophet is clearly stated as Mohammad.
2. He is said to be belonging to Arabia. The Sanskrit word marusthal used in the prophecy means a sandy tract of land or a desert.
3. Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet. There has hardly been any other Prophet in the world who had such a host of companions all resembling him.
4. He will be immune from sins, having an angelic disposition.
5. The Raja of India will show him his heart-felt reverence.
6. The Prophet will be given protection against his enemies.
7. He will kill the Devil, root out idol-worship and will do away with all sorts of vices.
8. He will be an image of the All-powerful God.
9. The Maharishi claims to be lying at his feet.
10. He is regarded as the pride of mankind (Parbatis Nath).

(Bhavishya Purana Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhya 3; Shalok 5-8)

Translation

"O people, listen this emphatically! The man of Praise (Muhammad) will be raised among the people. We take the emigrant in our shelter from sixty thousand and ninety enemies whose conveyances are twenty camels and she camels, whose loftiness of position touches the heaven and lowers it. He gave to Mamah Rishi a hundred gold coins, ten circles, three hundred Arab-horses and ten thousand cows.

Atharva Veda, Kanda 20, Sukta 127, Mantra 1-3.

Prophecy in the Parsi Scripture

The Parsi religion is one of the oldest religions in the world, perhaps as old as if not older than the Hindu religion. It has two collections of Scriptures - the Dasatir and the Zand Ayasta, which may be called respectively the Old and the New Testaments of the Parsi religion. In Dasatir, No. 14, which is associated with the name of Sasanil, there is not only a corroboration of the Doctrines and the Teachings of Islām, but a clear prophecy as to the Advent of the Prophet Muhammad. The Prophecy is made in the clearest terms, and is preceded by a vision of a state of extreme disorder and demoralization in Persia. It runs thus:

Translation

"When the Persians should sink so low in morality, a man will be born in Arabia whose followers will upset their throne, religion and everything. The mighty stiff-necked ones of Persia will be overpowered. The house which was built (referring to Abraham building the Ka'ba) and in which many idols have been placed will be purged of idols, and people will say their prayers facing towards it. His followers will capture the towns of the Parsis and Taus and Balkh and other big places round about. People will embroil with one another. The wise men of Persia and others will join his followers."

This prophecy is contained in a book that has ever been in the hands of the Parsis, and its words do not admit of two interpretations.

The coming man is to be an Arab. The Persian would join his faith. Fire temples would be destroyed. Idols would be removed. People would say their prayers facing towards the Ka'ba. Can this prophecy fit in with any person other than Muhammad?

Conclusion

Thus, if on the one hand, the Holy Prophet Muhammad testified to the truth of all the other Prophets belonging to all the different nations of the world, and made it a part of his religion, and on the other hand, the Scriptures of these previous Prophets are found to contain clear prophecies about the advent of our holy Prophet Muhammad (may Peace and Blessings of God be upon him), this mutual corroboration, by furnishing a great evidence of the spiritual providence of God for humanity, strengthens people's faith in religion in general - and in the religion of Islām in particular - and accept Islām as the final undistorted message of God to be followed by mankind replacing old scriptures which suffered tragic fate at hands of those whom the Holy Qur'an described as:

"Therefore woe be unto those who write the scripture with their hands and then say, 'This is from Allah' that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby." (Holy Qur'an 11: 79).

"Lo! Those who hide aught of the Scripture, which Allah hath revealed, and purchase a small gain therewith, they eat into their bellies nothing else than fire. Allah will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He make them grow. Theirs will be a painful doom." (Holy Qur'an 11:174).

Ik zelf als pers of zoals we zelf het noemen Iran (land van ariers). zie de komst van de islaam in ons land als de grootste gunst van god jegens mijn voorauders.
ik ben niet trots op wat ik ben of waar ik geboren ben maar blij en dankbaar  en beetje trots  op het feit  dat god ons  de  islaam  heeft gegunt.

alle lof zijn aan allah de heer der werelden de barmhartige en genadevolle. meester van de dag des oordeels.Alleen U aanbidden wij en alleen U smeken wij om hulp. Leid ons op het rechte pad, Het pad van degenen, aan wie Gij Uw gunsten hebt geschonken -
niet dat van hen, op wie toorn is nedergedaald, noch dat der dwalenden.