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Islam01
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Onderwerp: Mohammed of Jezus? Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:16 |
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Uw mening.Ben er niet mee eens en zal ook nooit mee eens zijn met een niet-moslim als het over de islam gaat en de profeet Moehammed vzmh. "En voorwaar, jij(O Rasullah vzmh) beschikt over een hoogstaand karakter |
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Murat
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Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:19 | |||
Ik wijs de bijbelfiguur jezus christus af. Die zichzelf God noemt. Niet de profeet ISA (AS) die als genade is gezonden, waar ik net zo veel respect voor heb als alle andere profeten(inclusief hz.mohammed(SAW) |
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:22 | |||
hij noemde zichzelf geen god....hij liet zich zoon van god noemen zoals al 2000 jaar daarvoor aangekondigd.....hij zei.....als ik getuig van mijzelf wordt het als onwaar beschouwd...er is voor vele betrouwbare getuigen gezorgd door God.....luister naar hen wan zij spreken waarheid over mij
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Murat
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Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:24 | |||
Komt overeen met de OT: Deuteronomy 20:13-20 In the following verses we see the following: 1- All men, including the unarmed ones, were to be executed (Deuteronomy 20:13). 2- All women and children were to be taken as spoils of war (Deuteronomy 20:14). 3- For the others, kill and destroy every creature that is breathing - that is all men, women, children and animals (Deuteronomy 20:16-17). |
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Murat
Senior Member Lid geworden: 12 maart 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 755 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:25 | |||
BONIFATICUS ZEI ZIE HIERBOVEN: Niemand heeft van Jezus een ander iemand gemaakt dan Hij was en is. Jezus kon wel zo goed zijn, Hij is God en God is perfect
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Ruud
Senior Member Lid geworden: 28 januari 2005 Locatie: Belgie Online status: Offline Berichten: 2716 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:25 | |||
Een niet gelovige die zijn carackter probeerd te veranderen,ervaart de strijd in zijn gedachte als een gevangenis.Iemand die zonde loos is kent geen gemis en ervaart de wereld totaal anders.Vraag het de mensen die zondeloos leven,je antwoord kan je daar vinden.
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:26 | |||
Hoeveel mensen zijn niet in de bijbel zonen van God genoemd?Denken jullie dan niet na?
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:28 | |||
Alleen volgens niet-moslims zijn er tegenstrijdigheden in de Edele Quran. |
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:29 | |||
een er er genoemd.....dit is mijn zoon DE geliefde luister naar hem....door god zelf 2x ....en plain publiek.....verder nog door 200 jaar van inleidende profetien.....en nog door een 20 tal mensen & engelen & demonen & romeinen & dicipelen .....men kan onder andere beter vragen.....wie noemde hem niet zo
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Ruud
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Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:30 | |||
We hebben helaas met 1-0 verloren overigens...
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Murat
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Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:30 | |||
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Ruud
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Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:32 | |||
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Murat
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Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:33 | |||
JE BEGRIJPT TOCH WEL WAT ER WERD BEDOELT IN DIE HADITH OF NIET ?
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Ruud
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Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:34 | |||
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:36 | |||
Begrijp je het nog steeds niet of moet je eerst je oren schoon vegen? Ga eerst bijbel lezen dan zal je merken dat ook veel andere mensen zonen van God werden genoemd. Wat jij hier beweert is dat Jezus letterlijk en figuurlijk zoon van God is.Dit is natuurlijk in strijd tegen de wet van Mozes. Dat weet je ook dondersgoed. Drie-eenheid is ook in strijd tegen de wet van Mozes en de Tien geboden maar ja jullie christenen denken niet aan dat. Christendom is gemaakt in rome,stad der polytheisme. Alle leugens uit de romeinse mythes,griekse enzovoort zijn opgenomen in de christendom of wil je dat ook gaan ontkennen?
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:36 | |||
Verbaast me niets. |
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:37 | |||
ik berijg alles ...thx for your concenr
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:38 | |||
*begrijp
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:41 | |||
Mensen,als ik zeg dat sommige leugens uit de romeinse,griekse,egyptische mythologie in de christendom opgenomen zijn dan meen ik het ook echt . Kijk maar naar deze site>>> Zeer interestant. Alleen de bezitters van kennis zullen begrijpen wat ik bedoel. |
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:50 | |||
the snake again....one of the pages you refer to says that jesus is a myth....is says he is not a historical figure......you in your limitation try to proof bible is not true but JOU just refered people to documents that proof that koran is not true we call this a dumm shot in your own foot this is the poroof of the spirit of satan....he twists in his lies....and gets from bad to worse...and in the end accuses himself with his own tongue islam01 exposed himself to me a misleader...whatever religion you come from whatch out for false teachers and prophets ill add nothing to this....just the warning...and check these sites yourself...they proof what he referred you all to
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:55 | |||
tha basic source islam 01 used is: the new age information center shoten the link to http://www.aznewage.com/ and you will see he not builds on islam, noir on christianity, nor on jews....but on the modern version of the occult paganism islam01 builds on the root of the occult |
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 16:57 | |||
allen bezitters van Gods Heilige Geest zullen ten volle beseffen hoe ik dat zo snel door had
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 17:01 | |||
Jammer dat je het ontkent dat christendom gemaakt is in rome.Zeer jammer. Ook jammer dat je blijft ontkennen dat rituelen zoals brood en wijn uit Mithraism. Typ mithraism in wikepedia. Er staat: Similarities to Christianity: Similarities to ChristianityAccording to Martin A. Larson, in The Story of Christian Origins (1977), Mithraism and Christianity derived from the same sources, originally from the savior cult of Osiris: a rarely discussed view among Mithraic and Christian scholars but which can account for the similarities without assuming a Christian deriviation from Mithraism. He also believes that the Essenes were Jewish Pythagoreans, whose members not only gave birth to Christianity as Essenes, but were directly influenced by Zoroastrian doctrine as Pythagoreans � a view probably shared by Cumont.[1] Mithraism, in Larson's view, was an established but exclusive sect devoted to social justice, and was assimilated by state-sponsored Christianity before being disposed of in name. "The resemblances between the two hostile churches were so striking as to impress even the minds of antiquity" (Cumont, 193). Like Origen (an early Christian writer and in this respect a peculiarity among the other patristic writers), Mithraism held that all souls pre-existed in the ethereal regions with God, and inhabited a body upon birth. Similar to Pythagorean, Jewish, and Pauline theology, life then becomes the great struggle between good and evil, spirit and body, ending in judgment, with the elect being saved. "They both admitted to the existence of a heaven inhabited by beautiful ones. . .and a hell peopled by demons situate in the bowels of earth" (Cumont 191). Both religions used the rite of baptism, and each participated in an outwardly similar type of sacrament, bread and wine. Both the birth of Mithra and the birth of Christ have been celebrated on December 25th, although nowhere does the Bible claim that Christ was born on this day. Both Mithra and Christ were supposedly visited by shepherds and Magi. It has been claimed that both Mithraism and Christianity considered Sunday their holy day, though for different reasons, although the evidence that Mithradists practiced weekly worship, any more than any other pagan religion of the time, is lacking. Many have noted that the title of Pope (father) is found in Mithraic doctrine and seemingly prohibited in Christian doctrine. The words Peter (rock) and mass (sacrament) have significance in Mithraism. Mithraism and early Christianity considered abstinence, celibacy, and self-control to be among their highest virtues, though Judaism did as well. Both had similar beliefs about the world, destiny, heaven and hell, and the immortality of the soul. Their conceptions of the battles between good and evil were similar (though Mithraism was more dualistic[2]), including a great and final battle at the end of times. Mithraism's flood at the beginning of history was deemed necessary because what began in water would end in fire, according to Mithraic eschatology. Both religions believed in revelation as key to their doctrine. Both awaited the last judgment and resurrection of the dead. Christ and Mithra were both referred to as the "Logos" (Larson 184), a term meaning the divine "Word" or "Reason" and first used in this sense by the Jewish philosopher Philo in the second-century BCE.
Although the cult of Mithra rivaled Christianity in Rome, they were among different social classes. Mithra was popular among soldiers and nobles after four centuries of growth. Mithraism had a disadvantage to Christian populism by barring women and emphasizing the elitist nature of the belief (being in the latter respect closer to Gnosticism than Christianity). Under emperors like Julian and Commodus, Mithra became the patron of Roman armies (Cumont 87). Christians, however, referred to themselves as soldiers of Christ. They venerated Jesus by calling him Light of the World or Son of Righteousness. Christians also claimed their savior's death was marked by a solar eclipse. Sunday became the primary day of worship for Christians, despite observing the Jewish Sabbath for centuries. Mithra's birthday was adopted by Christians in the 4th century A.D. as the birth of Christ (J. Smith 146). Some claimed Mithra's mother was a mortal virgin. Others said Mithra had no mother, but was miraculously born of a female rock, or the petra genetix, conceived by God's lightning (de Riencourt 135). Mithra's birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi bearing gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock (J. Smith 146). Mithra's image was buried in a rock tomb, a sacred cave that represented his Mother's womb. This was ritualistically removed each year, and he was said to live again. Mithra's triumph and ascension to heaven were celebrated during the spring equinox, as during Easter, when the sun rises toward its apogee. Mithra performed miracles of raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see, the lame walk, and casting out devils. As a Peter, son of the petra (rock), he carried the "keys" to the kingdom of heaven, as St. Peter is said to have the keys to the gates of Heaven (H. Smith 129). Before returning to heaven, Mithra had his Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory, his worshipers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with a cross (Hooke 89, Cumont 160). This was one of seven Mithraic sacraments, alleged to be the models for the Christian seven sacraments (James 250). It was called mized and in Latin missa, meaning "to be released", and in later ecclesiastical Latin, "Mass".[3] Mithra's cave-temple on the Vatican Hill was seized by Christians in 376 A.D. (J. Smith 146). Later Christian bishops in Rome pre-empted even the Mithraic high priest's title of Pater Patrum, which became Papa, or Pope (H. Smith 252). Gregory I, in the sixth-century, was the first Christian bishop on record who used the title of himself. Mithraism entered into many doctrines of the Manichean Gnostic sect of Christianity (which was condemned as heretical), and continued to influence its old rival for over a thousand years (Cumont, Oriental 154)). The Mithraic festival of Epiphany, marking the arrival of sun-priests ("Magi") at the Savior's birthplace, was adopted by the Christian church only as late as 813 A.D. (Brewster 55). It is possible, even likely, that Christianity emphasized common features that attracted Mithra followers, perhaps the crucifix appealed to those Mithra followers who had crosses already branded on their foreheads. In art, the halo was a well-known depiction of Mithra, a true sun-god, but which also depicts Christ in a similar way. However, differences such as prognostication by star gazing were regarded as heretical by Christians according to Halakaic sanctions. Justin Martyr, in a discussion with the Jewish apologist Trypho, wrote: "'And when those who record the mysteries of Mithras say that he was begotten of a rock, and call the place where those who believe in him are initiated a cave, do I not perceive here that the utterance of Daniel, that a stone without hands was cut out of a great mountain, has been imitated by them, and that they have attempted likewise to imitate the whole of Isaiah's words? For they contrived that the words of righteousness be quoted also by them. . . . And when I hear, Trypho,' said I, 'that Perseus was begotten of a virgin, I understand that the deceiving serpent counterfeited also this.'" (Dialogue with Trypho, LXXVIII). Tertullian also demonized Mithraism as a perverted truth planted by the devil.
Het zijn niet mijn woorden noch de woorden van moslims . Als je het ontkent dan beheers je de engelse taal niet zo goed. Nu typ Dionysus in wikepedia. Er staat: Parallels with ChristianityIt is possible that Dionysian mythology would later find its way into Christianity. There are many parallels between Dionysus and Jesus; both were said to have been born from a mortal woman but fathered by a god, to have returned from the dead, and to have transformed water into wine. The modern scholar Barry Powell also argues that Christian notions of eating and drinking "the flesh" and "blood" of Jesus were influenced by the cult of Dionysus. Certainly the Dionysus myth contains a great deal of cannibalism, in its links to Ino (however, one must note that Dionysian cannibalism has no correlation with self-sacrifice as a means of propitiation). Dionysus was also distinct among Greek gods, as a deity commonly felt within individual followers. In a less benign example of influence on Christianity, Dionysus' followers, as well as another god, Pan, are said to have had the most influence on the modern view of Satan as animal-like and horned.6 It is also possible these similarities between Christianity and Dionysiac religion are all only representations of the same common religious archetypes. Furthermore, it is worth noting that the story of Jesus turning water into wine is only found in the Gospel of John, which differs on many points from the other Synoptic Gospels. That very passage, it has been suggested, was incorporated into the Gospel from an earlier source focusing on Jesus' miracles.7 According to Martin A. Larson in The Story of Christian Origins (1977), Osiris was the first savior, and all soteriology in the region borrowed this religion, directly and indirectly, including Mithraism and Christianity, from an Osirian-Dionysian influence. As with their common dying and resurrected saviors, they all share common sacraments, ostensibly grounded in their reliance on seasonal cereal agriculture, having adopted the rituals with the food itself. Larson notes that Herodotus uses the names Osiris and Dionysus interchangeably and Plutarch identifies them as the same, while the name was anciently thought to originate from the place Nysa, in Egypt (now Ethiopia).
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Niet mijn woorden noch de woorden van moslims. 49. Zeg: "De Waarheid is gekomen en de leugen zal niet meer beginnen, noch wederkeren." Allahu Akbar!
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 17:03 | |||
Vriend Islam is puur monotheistische godsdienst.Dat kunnen we niet van christendom zeggen met concepten als drie-eenheid,zoon van God.Onbekende figuur als heilige geest.ahaha Jullie christenen geloven blindelings iets waarvan jullie in de war raken.
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 17:04 | |||
tha basic source islam 01 used is: the new age information center shorten the link he wants you to use to http://www.aznewage.com/ they declare jesus a myth...hence bible and koran and torah a lie You will see he not builds on islam, noir on christianity, nor on jews....but on the modern version of the occult paganism |
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 17:05 | |||
Nee slimme. We dont declare Prophet Jesus vzmh as a myth omdat we in hem geloven. Hoe kunnen we hem tot een mythe verklaren als we in hem geloven?Denk eens toch na voordat je iets zegt. We verwerpen verhalen over Profeet Jezus vzmh die in Fabriek Rome gemaakt zijn.
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 17:07 | |||
no other comentt than a warning the basic source islam 01 used is: the new age information center shorten the link he wants you to use to http://www.aznewage.com/ they declare jesus a myth...hence bible and koran and torah a lie You will see he not builds on islam, noir on christianity, nor on jews....but on the modern version of the occult paganism
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Islam01
Groupie Lid geworden: 22 juli 2005 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 304 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 17:08 | |||
Je zelf herhalen is een teken van zwakte. Je kan het niet ontkennen wat ik allemaal zei.Heel wereld weet ervan.
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Sunni_Side_Up
Groupie Lid geworden: 04 januari 2006 Locatie: Nederland Online status: Offline Berichten: 197 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 17:10 | |||
herhalen een zwakte...lol....het is in ieder gevaal waar en consistent je hebt je ware natuur laten zien....zoek maar een ander masker tha basic source islam 01 used is: the new age information center shorten the link he wants you to use to http://www.aznewage.com/ they declare jesus a myth...hence bible and koran and torah a lie You will see he not builds on islam, noir on christianity, nor on jews....but on the modern version of the occult paganism
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Ruud
Senior Member Lid geworden: 28 januari 2005 Locatie: Belgie Online status: Offline Berichten: 2716 |
Geplaatst op: 25 juni 2006 om 17:11 | |||
Als het christendom gemaakt is in Rome,waarom zouden de Romeinen deze godsdienst dan hebben willen vervolgen Islam01? En waarom meldt dan de Koran dat de Christenen net zoals de Joden de eerste mensen waren die van God het woord kregen,maar dat zij hier in verschilden van mening? Wat je hier neer zet druist in tegen hetgeen je zou moeten weten als moslim zelf. |
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